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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux 4.9.0-18-amd64 X-Machine: sym2 x86_64 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 25.1.1 Face: 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 Organization: DeuxChevaux.org -- The =?iso-8859-1?Q?Citr?= =?iso-8859-1?B?b+tu?= 2CV Database User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-Seq: 50702 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Hi, On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 11:32:03PM +0200, Mikael Magnusson wrote: > On 9/27/22, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > > -1 on the patch because I don't believe people who disagree with the > > change feel comfortable saying so publicly. > > If a word is so bad that people don't want to say that they want to > keep it, then we should not keep it. IMHO it's the opposite way: If a change causes people to stay silent because they fear a hate campaign if they say that they don't like such a change, then that change shouldn't be done alone for that. Kind regards, Axel -- PGP: 2FF9CD59612616B5 /~\ Plain Text Ribbon Campaign, http://arc.pasp.de/ Mail: abe@deuxchevaux.org \ / Say No to HTML in E-Mail and Usenet Mail+Jabber: abe@noone.org X https://axel.beckert.ch/ / \ I love long mails: https://email.is-not-s.ms/