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Tue, 4 Oct 2022 01:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tarpaulin.shahaf.local2 (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4MhRZ95Gw0z1vj; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 05:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 05:48:01 +0000 From: Daniel Shahaf To: Peter Stephenson Cc: zsh-workers@zsh.org, Xiao Ling XL Chen , Kui K Zhang Subject: Re: The request of words matter updated Message-ID: <20221004054801.GB27622@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> References: <6e0e440b-8e26-4a15-8f69-7b393aa6ff13@app.fastmail.com> <1142471274.1562947.1664268254401@mail.virginmedia.com> <9cf82892-e90a-4404-8b56-04b0046b9165@app.fastmail.com> <293717690.1711429.1664382844704@mail.virginmedia.com> <274355982.2028750.1664807113140@mail.virginmedia.com> <20221004052955.GA27622@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20221004052955.GA27622@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Seq: 50729 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Daniel Shahaf wrote on Tue, Oct 04, 2022 at 05:29:55 +0000: > > > Once that's established, perhaps someone could arrange for an online vote > > > at one of the websites that do that? Given no technical change results > > > from any of this, opinion is all we've got, and there's evidently no > > > sign of a consensus. > > > > This appears to be where we're going. I'll do some research on this, but > > if anyone has pointers to a good place for an anonymous vote, let me know. > > > > I don't think it's time to vote yet; see > . > > As producingoss explains, voting is going to leave half the participants > unhappy. Let's instead try and find a solution we can consense on. I'll get the ball rolling: - Use whatever terms the documentation of the function we call uses for these. Whoever has an opinion on these terms — support, opposition, or anything else — is welcome to take it up with our dependencies' maintainers /as an individual/, but zsh /as a project/ will take no position on this issue, in order to facilitate collaboration between people who disagree on this issue. I mentioned this upthread, but (deliberately) not phrased it as a proposal at that time. To be clear, the proposal isn't to practise a Bystander Effect-esque "let someone else be the first to do something" behaviour. The proposal is to name the actual parameters after the formal parameters. Disagreements about what to name formal parameters in zsh.git will remain this list's buck. This is similar to the difference between a ring of N anonymous processors and a ring of N anonymous processors of which one is the leader. - Let the variable names be chosen by a configure option. (That means generating zpty.c from zpty.c.ac.) The option's name, its possible values, and the behaviour when the option isn't passed will have to be decided upon. Dnaiel