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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer X-Originating-IP: 147.161.225.104 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfKR7314seNnTPvuHsKUMkx5PpPj28K9NCR2X/MoB+FhH69raFU/3WkIpHrLmDYWIIN66tRoQ08DR2HXT0w83Xtl0J6y7Qpq4t/k8ZtsziLF6qsORC+u1 CvXsMSV+13m+KDseB6uLzMoK9FMIBwePCKUoKx+R/xrjdLdrRLr+XCCupZ7rxAPXdU39D5ve8PBhs1KsxijVPAqVxItVM70XpwNeFZAzWlv3e6IfbKPwP01G 4Xq6L2uKt7Txyw7SapSgn4Fg2UwtWepFI/9NUfpCWBqllaVLc0VEUs5IbavEdVuo X-Seq: 50691 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On 27/09/2022 21:54 Daniel Shahaf wrote: > I will also point out that tracking the terms used by the formal paramete= rs > in the callee's header files or documentation, as proposed upthread =E2= =80=94 is > a clear, objective criterion; makes the terminology decisions Someone > Else's Problem; makes the code easier to read; and involves less churn. > Without advocating for that particular solution or considering what > downsides it may have, I do wish to say those properties thereof seem > desirable. As Lawrence and Bart already noted, there's no good steer here from the various technical documents, or even vendors' manual pages. The only hint in this direction might be to use ptm and pts, which doesn't seem very elegant or likely to achieve any kind of consensus, so I won't propose it. I'm guessing that of those who favour a change there are no major feelings in favour of any of the various alternative ways of saying "upper" and "lower"? Once that's established, perhaps someone could arrange for an online vote at one of the websites that do that? Given no technical change results from any of this, opinion is all we've got, and there's evidently no sign of a consensus. Cheers pws