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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Vs7GdiAin167I7fGMgfl4eFBXM9lTWh9v2MnemiHN0S4YHOblTN cLRa6nxq/1XaHm4E2KtzGYn84rVp7Wi6DvSRujDDPOTnpAjfWP7HieyLyuTeKdbk2FM/o7M APod0PMIM17tn82CcYl+gcH/QciHYNFUHxSXCY7nejlOM9HUTWvR7U/HPG6iUlijQb/Kio+ q+naMRNT3tRk5bOf53c2Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:5V1sH1If+QY=:lDCFsXuXhPtB31GW4D7iPJ 13F69XgvmoUhlKTOdR5hXLUf3HGAf4iFBqnGZutfRQwMlOnuCGxsdmy9ckPQ0jdCURM65F5/x m+Qz0KZ1LgK23YKHeXa3PchdJtEytgpAVzga84EL3MHPVM4igCZrZT8B1sR9Q3eePCe5ksJsF GKOwCJDcCfJK2krrYeAweacNXglSSKKw8oXnn1lyDcdOneITFCBzr2+k70VdzYovBrUBZ09yD AtDL5HtptemtgRsbASem6II++WHZKdLp0LhP5KTz3a2Fjh498IVXu4GTFcaQlAhnOFrhNS4oT MpCZf3eyicuQOizX7kTrV227C7ij8mexZjLfiaPDeR2x5fgUYlS1OHYqxFq0mlqsYD7cqFaAw qERLCiHVHh3CDmVAZAgHTCvlOzgVxCV2Jipn62xyKOK2KPiQu3AonA0ZaxLVM+7xuk2LrE/Qb tp5mvGT5pPkOjREi6QvQaBjxze2xUJLf+2sXFko4pRcAFX6wTsrvL7T54VjB+XuStCitM3dVf 7uzwEc82jTdkIrg/4rTMwWktK0qq/y3xRlpkOGtOICuHUHjtPp4E4I62zQ5KMqjqEq1V5T4Ib rO59ZgkoTxS7Y1vZUyKEqgr6Ny+75iCkKYVe7Vp3zdcM5ApbonoJoeX4J9hVj7IHpVSFqurwt N87bqJFBk+vZ3LBObW8JOg6/paPHBQRNom5TbxGeLtHLpugOu03r9DoqS0nzaTz0p/wJ6k2MA 0RgC69LgMTt92jnnA+JbYXl9yAk7uLPQ6RJN04tSQbcqT3qwmXUA9iigLz8nLKy8dav9f++vb Zz5Gh3xE4HRt2WgrQYD9JIUvMorM9msZhoN66RYCWTWYRCbyuAGVgXMRBcLkydPKATJlj5pgh fSK+q2qtZgIehRtpwXCKeFSpDRs8TcA6KHMHqR6iznBiY6uwGd53/veVX0dFvcNLZ7Jcxjp+K wpJGWIH+/1KiTzNT/pidmqrElITSLmAYsMxIz8sSVpoprqiP2dUPyy5HfLmaTQSWsGZcrr41M W6hAXKHi+QDQsDqjzceaY22retq/TUnVwiwFQt8SPOie7GXuoGgsCzyKE2YzpcakvIRZpgc0X oJ9bH2+wRy0qvYQ0SkEg+1/exvT530PabrhGUfmkZo0329Qx9F+r67Gfg== X-Seq: 50514 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On 8/24/22 16:27, Felipe Contreras wrote: > *If* my proposed patches are applied, SAVEHIST by default would be > 1000, *and* if HISTFILE had some default--which is something my > proposed patches don't do, but could be considered for zsh 6.0, *then* > this could happen: > > 1. The user has configured SAVEHIST to something greater than 1000 > 2. The user starts zsh with NO_RCS (e.g. zsh -f) > > Yes, that is an issue, but I would guess those two conditions would > only be met 0.01% of the time at best, which is why I claim this is a > corner-case. Moreover, this could be easily avoided by HISTFILE not > having a default if NO_RCS is set, could it not? > You keep throwing out these random percentages from no where, i am telling you as someone that helps people use unix shells over the years that starting your shell without your dotfiles isn't a corner case, there isn't a reason to guess, you can search this mailing list for the frequenc= y of use, the README when discussing reporting bugs mention reproducing possible bugs from zsh -f. I've commonly seen people wonder why they lost shell history in other shel= ls only to find out they started them in such a way their dotfiles wasn't sou= rced, when they increased the default size of history events being saved. But yes, in a hypothetical proposal of setting HISTFILE by default. not doing so when NO_RCS/-f is used would prevent the subtle data loss pro= blem. Had i not chimed in on it though, i doubt the precaution would've been tak= en.