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From: "Richard Hartmann" <richih.mailinglist@gmail.com>
To: "Richard Hartmann" <richih.mailinglist@gmail.com>,
	 "Peter Stephenson" <p.w.stephenson@ntlworld.com>,
	 "Zsh hackers list" <zsh-workers@sunsite.dk>
Subject: Re: arithmetic operator precedence
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:45:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2d460de70806170345w2f6863f2u8c79504b0914333e@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080617103829.GD5016@sc.homeunix.net>

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:38, Stephane Chazelas
<Stephane_Chazelas@yahoo.fr> wrote:


> Not sure what you mean. ^ in bc is the power operator and
> there's no ** there. In shells, ** is the power operator and ^
> is the XOR operator.

I did not refer to the XOR interpretation of ^, of course.
What I thought you said is that ^ and ** as in

  3^2  = 9
  3**2 = 9

are not the same. Did not make sense to me, but did not want
to discard the idea entirely without checking.


> What I meant is that ^ reminds of the /human/ (as opposed to
> /computer/) representation as it indicates that follows must be
> raised up as in 3². So, one can understand that it should follow
> the same rules (that is -3^2 should be the same as -3², even
> though that's not what POSIX decided for bc). But given that **
> has more the shape of the * operator, I'm not sure we can tell
> the same thing.

I can see what you mean, but the operator, not its representation,
must be must stay the same. Do I understand you correctly that
you think this is the way to go:

  -3^2  = -9
  -3**2 =  9

If yes, that looks _really_ harmful to me.


> Anyway, I was just curious about Peter's statement. I'm most
> probably not as versed in maths as he is, so was curious about
> the rationale behind his statement about -3**2 = 9 not being
> mathematically correct.

See above for my question, requesting clarification.


Richard

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-17 10:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-12  9:57 Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-12 13:12 ` Mikael Magnusson
2008-06-12 13:40 ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-12 14:47   ` Bart Schaefer
2008-06-12 15:01     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-16  8:17       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-16  8:07 ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-16 13:42   ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-16 13:59     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-16 14:33       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17  9:19     ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17  9:45       ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 10:24         ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 10:24           ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 10:38           ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 10:43             ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-17 11:28               ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:46                 ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-17 12:05                   ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19  9:37                   ` Jun T.
2008-06-19  9:54                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 16:00                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 16:20                         ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 17:14                           ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19  9:58                     ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-19 12:29                       ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-19 16:04                         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 16:10                           ` Mikael Magnusson
2008-06-19 16:27                             ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 17:25                               ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 17:20                             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 10:45             ` Richard Hartmann [this message]
2008-06-17 11:38             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:19         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:57           ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 12:35             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 12:46               ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 13:02                 ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 13:20                   ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 14:33                     ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 14:53                       ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 15:49                         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 14:35                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 15:05                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 10:54       ` Vincent Lefevre

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