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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Seq: 50721 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On 9/28/22 12:34, Peter Stephenson wrote: > I'm guessing that of those who favour a change there are no major > feelings in favour of any of the various alternative ways of saying "uppe= r" > and "lower"? > > Once that's established, perhaps someone could arrange for an online vote > at one of the websites that do that? Given no technical change results > from any of this, opinion is all we've got, and there's evidently no > sign of a consensus. Do you need consensus on this change? I mean, if someone provided a patch that changes master/slave to something else that makes sense because they want to stay clear of those words, would it not be accepted? The change is essentially a refactor and should pass all the tests.. I'm not in favor of the change because there is not a technical reason to solve. It is purely a policital (correctness) change. I don't see how the change of master/slave in code is changing actual systematic racism around the world or how it confronts former colonizing countries with their often brutal past. The change itself should have minimal to no impact on the code itself and should not present any problems to the outside world. All that said, I think IBM should be the driver of the change as it doesn't comply with their "Words matter" policy. They just threw a stick in a bee hive and now are watching the bees go crazy. If they want it fixed, they should provide the patches to fix *their* political issue. Unless someone within the zsh project really agrees with their view ofc. Those are my 2 cents on this topic. Cheers, Wesley -- Wesley Schwengle