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[173.17.84.59]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j17sm4931427iok.37.2021.02.12.16.23.40 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:23:40 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install From: dana In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:23:39 -0600 Cc: Marlon Richert , Zsh hackers list Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3A5A8E5C-E1B7-4C92-8BEA-1856860A0D04@dana.is> References: <0102017778f35f33-a962e4d3-83e9-4d3b-a0d7-45701bb40b11-000000@eu-west-1.amazonses.com> <8BA25288-0FFB-4FF4-9799-541D6A3C52DA@dana.is> <19996A10-103F-4054-AD57-FCED8E406687@dana.is> <86782FA5-6EBB-4FCD-90AD-D33F352455F1@dana.is> <5C018E61-8E72-4647-8A53-0F9D5BB82146@dana.is> To: Roman Perepelitsa X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Seq: 48029 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: On 11 Feb 2021, at 23:59, Roman Perepelitsa = wrote: > In my opinion the default config shouldn't aim to provide the best > solution to anything: the best history setup, the best prompt, etc. It > should make zsh usable by someone who considers bash usable out of the > box (e.g., on Debian) but other than that be as simple and as short as > possible. I'll be a little busy for a while, so i can't comment on the latest = revisions now, but i wanted to point out that some of zsh's biggest distributors = already provide default configs that go beyond the limitations you seem to be advocating; for example, both macOS and Debian (+ its derivatives) = change the default options and use terminfo to set key bindings. That's an important consideration imo because it doesn't seem like = creating an up-stream config that does less than what people are already getting for = zsh defaults in the real world will be very useful to anyone. It may be nice = for completeness's sake to have something 'official', but presumably neither = those distributors nor their users will be very interested in it if they = already have something that does the same job or better. I'm not sure about the others, but my personal desire with a config like = this was to reduce the perceived need that people have to immediately go out = and install something like OMZ. We can't make much of a dent in that if it's = *too* minimal. That said, i do think there are plenty of things that are = outside the scope of that goal, like fancy Unicode characters and clocks in the = prompt. (Looks like those aren't in the current revision, but just for example i mean.) I'm starting to agree that XDGBDS is excessive too. Maybe some = other things. I definitely don't think it needs to be 'the best'... just nice = enough that people might actually use it. That's my thinking anyway dana