Mirror list

Mirror list

[Clinton Bunch]

Do we have a definite list of mirrors?  There are different lists in the 
META-FAQ on the sourceforge pages, and in the text version in the "FTP" 
site, different again from the zsh.org main page.

I noticed the funet.fi site still has 5.8 as the current version, so 
that needs to be fixed or the mirror dropped.

Also we may want to drop the ftp urls, as the browser gods have 
apparently declared them obsolete.

Another thing, the META-FAQ lists zsh.org in Australia, but the zsh.org 
homepage says it's in the Netherlands.

RE: Mirror list

[zeurkous]

On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 11:51:02 -0500, Clinton Bunch <cdb_zsh@zentaur.org> wrote:
> Also we may want to drop the ftp urls, as the browser gods have=20
> apparently declared them obsolete.

While no-one has sufficient authority to issue such a binding
declaration, FTP and WWW browsers have never been an entirely happy
combination; for that reason, me'd have little objection to presenting
the list entries in the more classic form of:

 some.host.dot:/some/dir/

(The trailing slash is optional.)

        --zeurkous.

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Re: Mirror list

[Clinton Bunch]

On 9/22/2024 11:55, zeurkous@blaatscaahp.org wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 11:51:02 -0500, Clinton Bunch <cdb_zsh@zentaur.org> wrote:
>> Also we may want to drop the ftp urls, as the browser gods have=20
>> apparently declared them obsolete.
> While no-one has sufficient authority to issue such a binding
> declaration, FTP and WWW browsers have never been an entirely happy
> combination; for that reason, me'd have little objection to presenting
> the list entries in the more classic form of:
>
>   some.host.dot:/some/dir/
>
> (The trailing slash is optional.)
>
>          --zeurkous.
>
While I find it annoying when running across an ftp url that the browser 
now tries to launch an external program, I have to admit, I can't 
remember the last time I used an actual ftp client.  I've either used 
wget or firefox.  The mirrors in all the lists have http/s support as 
well as FTP support.  Other than the ftp command, I can't think of any 
software that does FTP that also doesn't do HTTP.  But that's my experience.

RE: Re: Mirror list

[zeurkous]

On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 12:21:38 -0500, Clinton Bunch <cdb_zsh@zentaur.org> wrote:
> While I find it annoying when running across an ftp url that the browser=20
> now tries to launch an external program,

Client-side issue :)

> I have to admit, I can't=20
> remember the last time I used an actual ftp client.=C2=A0

FTP is far from perfect, but at least it treats files as files, instead of
as more nebulous `documents' (like HTTP does). That's a big reason why it
hasn't disappeared yet.

> I've either use=
> d=20
> wget or firefox.=C2=A0 The mirrors in all the lists have http/s support a=
> s=20
> well as FTP support.=C2=A0 Other than the ftp command, I can't think of a=
> ny=20
> software that does FTP that also doesn't do HTTP.=C2=A0 But that's my exp=
> erience.

lftp(1) demonstrates that from the reverse side, heh.

But as long as there are FTP mirrors (and me frankly doesn't see why
they would disappear altogether at this point), they should be listed.

        --zeurkous.

-- 
Friggin' Machines!

Re: Mirror list

[Oliver Kiddle]

Clinton Bunch wrote:
> Do we have a definite list of mirrors?  There are different lists in the 
> META-FAQ on the sourceforge pages, and in the text version in the "FTP" 
> site, different again from the zsh.org main page.

When we migrated zsh.org a couple of years ago, we went through the list
and removed all the sites that had ceased to exist. Not a lot remains.
The META-FAQ likely didn't get updated.

> I noticed the funet.fi site still has 5.8 as the current version, so 
> that needs to be fixed or the mirror dropped.

It could be worth trying to contact them to make sure they are mirroring
the correct rsync address.

> Also we may want to drop the ftp urls, as the browser gods have 
> apparently declared them obsolete.

Yes, I doubt they get much use.

> Another thing, the META-FAQ lists zsh.org in Australia, but the zsh.org 
> homepage says it's in the Netherlands.

It's in the Netherlands now.

Oliver

Re: Mirror list

[Clinton Bunch]

On 9/22/2024 13:52, Oliver Kiddle wrote:
> Clinton Bunch wrote:
>> Do we have a definite list of mirrors?  There are different lists in the
>> META-FAQ on the sourceforge pages, and in the text version in the "FTP"
>> site, different again from the zsh.org main page.
> When we migrated zsh.org a couple of years ago, we went through the list
> and removed all the sites that had ceased to exist. Not a lot remains.
> The META-FAQ likely didn't get updated.
>
>> I noticed the funet.fi site still has 5.8 as the current version, so
>> that needs to be fixed or the mirror dropped.
> It could be worth trying to contact them to make sure they are mirroring
> the correct rsync address.
>
>> Also we may want to drop the ftp urls, as the browser gods have
>> apparently declared them obsolete.
> Yes, I doubt they get much use.
>
>> Another thing, the META-FAQ lists zsh.org in Australia, but the zsh.org
>> homepage says it's in the Netherlands.
> It's in the Netherlands now.
>
> Oliver
>
The distribution site isn't that big, and unless traffic is much higher 
than I would think, I'd be willing to host an HTTPS mirror on my Linode 
VPS in Dallas using a CNAME like dallas.zsh.org or maybe 
us-tx-dallas.zsh.org.  We'd have at least one mirror in the Western 
Hemisphere.