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Sat, 14 May 2022 19:50:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.7.0-alpha0-591-gfe6c3a2700-fm-20220427.001-gfe6c3a27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <41a61104-b29f-49bd-9cbe-789d4e45cdb3@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20220514233540.pf22yphhsjm4tblf@sym.noone.org> References: <25ece9e8-71fb-4cf4-adf1-1fbef7eda0a1@www.fastmail.com> <20220514221130.4f2dg3lft3bhhytv@sym.noone.org> <20220514232126.GA13240@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> <20220514233540.pf22yphhsjm4tblf@sym.noone.org> Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 23:49:57 +0000 From: "Daniel Shahaf" To: "Axel Beckert" , zsh-workers@zsh.org Subject: Re: Posted zsh 5.9 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Seq: 50227 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Axel Beckert wrote on Sat, 14 May 2022 23:35 +00:00: > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 11:21:26PM +0000, Daniel Shahaf wrote: >> Axel Beckert wrote on Sun, May 15, 2022 at 00:11:31 +0200: >> > Hi, >> >=20 >> > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 03:59:35PM -0500, dana wrote: >> > > I've just finished posting zsh 5.9. It should be available in the= usual >> > > places: >> > [=E2=80=A6] >> > > creating-a-release instructs us to wait a day before posting to -= announce, >> > > which has always been followed a little loosely i think, at least= by me... >> > > but i'll do that this time, unless someone wants me to go ahead n= ow. >> >=20 >> > I'll upload it to Debian unstable anyway, I as I assume there won't= be >> > any changes anymore until tomorrow. :-) >>=20 >> I'd rather you didn't. Backwards compatibility promises don't kick in >> until a release is announced, even if it has been tagged. > > IMHO having been uploaded is a bit more than just tagged. > Read "even if it has been tagged and uploaded", then. >> If we pull the tarball for any reason, your users will get to keep >> both pieces. > > If that happens, I'd expect that a 5.9.1 or 5.9a or something is > released and 5.9 is never annouced. Like e.g. the ASF does with HTTPD > releases. Not every 2.4.xy or 2.6.xy has been released (or at least > not announced). > In such a case we might do the same and re-tag as 5.9.1, yes, but that's not a reason to let users run 5.9 before it has been released (=3D annou= nced). >> Cf. https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/subversion/README.html. > > That talks about release candidates, not about already publicly > downloadable tar balls with the correct version. I'm aware of that. I consider what that page describes to apply to releases-to-be that have not been announced. > Our -test releases are the release candidates from my point of view. > And yes, of course I fully agree with that. That's why I uploaded all > packages of release candidates to Debian Experimental, not to > Unstable. +1 > According to discusion in here, the reasons for the delay are also > others. (I also remember from earlier discussions about the release > process that SF's upload thingy is a bit fiddly and sometimes needs a > few attempts to get their "newest upload" pointer right.) Good night, Daniel