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From: Bruce Korb <bkorb@gnu.org>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Cc: David Korn <dgk@research.att.com>,
	austin-group-l@opengroup.org,  Bash - Bug <bug-bash@gnu.org>,
	zsh-workers@zsh.org, dash <dash@vger.kernel.org>,
	 miros-discuss@mirbsd.org
Subject: Re: '>;' redirection operator [was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000530]: Support in-place editing in sed  (-iEXTENSION)]
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:09:30 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EF3AA9A.9070009@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EF39B1E.80709@redhat.com>

On 12/22/11 13:03, Eric Blake wrote:
> I assume on the ksh implementation that the temp file is discarded if
> the command (simple or compound) feeding the redirection failed?

One would hope!

>  If the
> redirection is used on a simple command, is there any shorthand for
> specifying that the destination name on success also be fed as an
> argument to the command, to avoid the redundancy of having to type
> 'file' both before and after the'>;' operator?

Doesn't the shell already have enough hieroglyphs?  It is what
intimidates many folks from figuring it out.

>  I assume that this is
> like any other redirection operator, where an optional fd number can be
> prepended, as in '2>; file' to collect stderr and overwrite file on
> success?

When the exact opposite is the useful variation?  I.e. keep-on-failure.
"-i" for sed is simple, understandable and implemented a lot.
Please don't add another glyph to the standardized shell.  Let us not
slide on slippery slopes.  Shells can always add some useful builtins:

    sh_move_if_changed
    sh_save_on_success
    sh_save_on_failure

to cope with this stuff.  Or you can write your own such library for
your own use.  ">;" is not an answer for sed-as-a-batch-editor anyway,
which is what "-i" really is.


  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-22 22:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <201112221539.pBMFdlaj011933@penguin.research.att.com>
2011-12-22 21:03 ` Eric Blake
2011-12-22 22:09   ` Bruce Korb [this message]
2011-12-22 23:34     ` '>;' redirection operator Thorsten Glaser
2011-12-23  0:14     ` '>;' redirection operator [was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000530]: Support in-place editing in sed (-iEXTENSION)] Geir Hauge

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