From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22014 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2021 00:44:52 -0000 Received: from zero.zsh.org (2a02:898:31:0:48:4558:7a:7368) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Mar 2021 00:44:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20200801; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Id:Sender:Message-ID:Date:Content-ID: Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:To:References:From:In-reply-to:cc:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID; bh=pxCzWTCD3FFnKmahjuNd7q8jJbMIV2we6TfCJb7vPpY=; b=MlMvRnEX+6ZmO7SATEZCSIo6UJ tei2ABDh5wHlXtjW4bFlqwhguXP7hqxmL0ueaYvn1mkLO+DjOG+qwqp7OaY0Pr+e5BrqBJODc/c1l FTYBEvNLzn2QYEcsRQWDFrQ/z8fMJxJx1cQkKF/fmrijs1biNF+dRaa6VKFbM5CIOMJt7V2ZWHGW5 QCQLD6M5RDjoEZR2jLIJJcuKd5tfdTANruhkDdcjazNBd2zLz285qajq7iar8nTsxpGEDtUk29OAi G0EprfRT7d49UV/MSJ3reWeFnog3bHUpA8i9pqQqFV2cBtPTjDZhkuDDsO+ldu/8/CkwiaZpJlRaH QLk7bDCg==; Received: from authenticated user by zero.zsh.org with local id 1lQg1T-0003qX-T5; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:44:51 +0000 Received: from authenticated user by zero.zsh.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1lQg1G-0003h6-Vh; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:44:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.178.21] (helo=hydra) by mail.kiddle.eu with esmtp(Exim 4.93.0.4) (envelope-from ) id 1lQg1G-000Lql-7Z; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 02:44:38 +0200 cc: Zsh hackers list In-reply-to: From: Oliver Kiddle References: <20201228221342.136199-1-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> <20210104061718.GB14783@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> <4e9d7283-94fa-4862-ab04-8c3294f3876c@www.fastmail.com> To: Bart Schaefer Subject: Re: [PATCH] declarednull: rename DECLARED to NULL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <83993.1616978678.1@hydra> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 02:44:38 +0200 Message-ID: <83994-1616978678.232193@jPMH.zQZs.0I47> X-Seq: 48299 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Bart Schaefer wrote: > Since we resolved this down to arguing about internal names that are > never visible to the user, IMO the primary remaining question is > whether it's acceptable to make the user-visible behavior dependent on > the POSIX_BUILTINS option. It seems fairly self-contained and could have it's own option. typeset isn't a builtin. posix compatibility options aren't really improvements but someone might prefer this behaviour. But I don't have a strong view - whatever you think is good. > Perhaps the internal naming argument can be resolved by using > PM_DEFAULTED (thus making it definitely a verb rather than "default" > which could be interpreted as a noun). I'm fine with that but I wouldn't especially object to DECLARED or whatever it was before. Some other ideas: ONLYDECLARED, DECLONLY, UNASSIGNED, INITIATED, CONCEIVED, SCOPED. Was there anything else outstanding like (t) output perhaps? I don't feel strongly about either of these naming issues and would be happy for this to move forward regardless of the outcome on them. Oliver