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From: "Martin Tournoij" <martin@arp242.net>
To: zsh-workers@zsh.org
Subject: Any way to allow clobbering empty files when noclobber is set?
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 10:08:27 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <89aed74d-db7b-47ad-b218-8158838049e9@www.fastmail.com> (raw)

Hi there,

I switched from tcsh to zsh a while ago (many years too late, I know), and
found zsh can do pretty much everything better. There's one thing I rather
miss though: the 'notempty' option in 'noclobber'. To quote tcsh(1):

> If the shell variable noclobber is set, then the file must not exist or be
> a character special file [...] If notempty is given in noclobber, `>' is
> allowed on empty files; if ask is set, an interacive confirmation is
> presented, rather than an error.

1. Is there any way to do this in zsh (especially the notempty option)? I
   know you can use >! to override it, but empty files are rarely important
   so just allowing them to be clobbered seems better UX in most cases.
   I can't find anything in zshall(1) or the interwebz.

2. Assuming the answer to 1) is "no", would any patches be accepted to add a
   setting for this? I rather miss this behaviour (I actually added these
   settings to tcsh a few years ago).

For context, the most common case (for me, anyway) is when I accidentally
create a file with a failing command:

    $ cmd -wrong-flag > foo
    stderr: you made a mistake

    # Oops, we used a wrong flag, let's correct it:
    $ cmd -correct-flag > foo
    zsh: file exists: foo

    # Ah, an empty file still got created >_< Need to remove it first, or
    # replace > with >!
    $ rm foo
    $ cmd -correct arg > foo

Thanks,
Martin


P.S. The emailing list software told me to email zsh-workers-faq@zsh.org for
a FAQ about this list, which is what I did and it came back with:

> FAQ - Frequently asked questions of the zsh-workers@zsh.org list.
>
> None available yet.

Maybe remove that part from the template, as there is no FAQ?

             reply	other threads:[~2020-06-03  2:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20200603020919eucas1p13e26ebcbb335784d14bfb97b137f385a@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2020-06-03  2:08 ` Martin Tournoij [this message]
2020-06-03 12:04   ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-04  1:48     ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-04  2:43       ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-04  4:06         ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-04  5:00           ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-05  3:10             ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-05  3:18               ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-06  1:07               ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-06  4:48                 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-06  7:04                   ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-04  6:31       ` Martin Tournoij
2020-06-05  2:22         ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-04  2:13     ` Vin Shelton
2020-06-04  2:35       ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-04  2:36       ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-04 11:57         ` Vin Shelton
2020-06-04  5:06     ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-04  5:41       ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-06-05  2:07         ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-05  4:38           ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-06-06  1:41             ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-06  4:55               ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-06  6:25                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-06-06  7:08                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-06  8:03                   ` Daniel Shahaf
     [not found]           ` <1941572212.466119.1591360860372@mail2.virginmedia.com>
     [not found]             ` <e7f7dfe2-eb4a-457b-85fb-091935a74c0e@www.fastmail.com>
2020-06-06 11:57               ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-06 12:48                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-06-06 15:24                   ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-06 16:24                     ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-07 11:55                       ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-07 17:00                         ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-08  3:27                           ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-08  9:30                             ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-07 17:20                         ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-06 15:09                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-04  6:47       ` Martin Tournoij
2020-06-04  9:42       ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-04 12:20         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-06-04 12:26           ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-04 12:15     ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-04 20:35       ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-05  1:59         ` Daniel Shahaf

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