From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from gatech.edu (gatech.edu [130.207.244.244]) by werple.net.au (8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA15451 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:48:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from euclid (euclid.skiles.gatech.edu) by gatech.edu with SMTP id AA27016 (5.65c/Gatech-10.0-IDA for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 02:32:54 -0400 Received: by euclid (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17222; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 02:25:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:26:20 -0600 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:26:20 -0600 Message-Id: <9510260626.AA26444@bjerknes.cdc.noaa.gov> From: Mark Borges To: ZSH mailing list Subject: ZSH's future [longish] ? Organization: CIRES, University of Colorado X-Attribution: mb Resent-Message-Id: <"JcJP1.0.0D4.SdoZm"@euclid> Resent-From: zsh-workers@math.gatech.edu X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/493 X-Loop: zsh-workers@math.gatech.edu Precedence: list Resent-Sender: zsh-workers-request@math.gatech.edu I know, I hate these vague and open-ended subject lines, too. This is not really related to zsh development either. So feel free to quit reading, if you've even gotten this far... Anyway, I discovered this URL last night: http://www.research.att.com/orgs/ssr/book/reuse/ and apparently ATT is giving away free copies of ksh93 for personal use. You have to agree to a non-exclusive license agreement, but it appears to be fairly liberal for single user usage. Unless I'm misunderstanding it (quite possible) and will have the ATT police after me tomorrow. I was curious if anyone on this list has seen it (I've appended a list of features below) and what their reactions would be. How do the people actively involved in ZSH development think zsh compares with ksh93? (Windows95, ksh93. Yuck. What's the world coming to? ;-) Lest I be misunderstood, let me state that I've really enjoyed having zsh as my shell, and have been using it for the past 4 years. I like it better than ksh88. I don't see myself using ksh anytime soon. But I'm wondering if people will start flocking to ksh93 (now that it appears to be easier to get a hold of), and the incentive and impetus for actively developing zsh will wane such that zsh will be more of a "hobby" than it already is. Comments? Anyone care to do a feature-by-feature comparison? (I'm not sure what all of them mean) If anything glaring is missing in zsh, does anyone foresee it being added in zsh-4.0? After a quick glance, it appears ksh93 can handle arithmetic and arrays in a more powerful way than zsh currently does, e.g., $ ./ksh $ ((a=1.e-3+3.4/1.2)) $ echo $a 2.83433333333 $ ^D $ ((a=1.e-3+3.4/1.2)) zsh: bad math expression: illegal character: . But, so what, really. If one wants to do heavy duty math in a script, use perl, right? I think zsh's niche is being king of the interactive features and conveniences. Perhaps that should be stressed more in the ZSH WWW pages? -mb- ============================================================================== KSH-93 - The KornShell Command and Programming Language KSH-93 is the most recent version of the KornShell Language described in "The KornShell Command and Programming Language," by Morris Bolsky and David Korn of AT&T Bell Laboratories. The KornShell is a shell programming language, which is upward compatible with "sh" (the Bourne Shell), and is intended to conform to the IEEE P1003.2/ISO 9945.2 Shell and Utilities standard. KSH-93 provides an enhanced programming environment in addition to the major command-entry features of the BSD shell "csh". With KSH-93, medium-sized programming tasks can be performed at shell-level without a significant loss in performance. In addition, "sh" scripts can be run on KSH-93 without modification. The code should conform to the IEEE POSIX 1003.1 standard and to the proposed ANSI-C standard so that it should be portable to all such systems. Like the previous version, KSH-88, it is designed to accept eight bit character sets transparently, thereby making it internationally compatible. It can support multi-byte characters sets with some characteristics of the character set given at run time. KSH-93 provides the following features, many of which were also inherent in KSH-88: o Enhanced Command Re-entry Capability: The KSH-93 history function records commands entered at any shell level and stores them, up to a user-specified limit, even after you log off. This allows you to re-enter long commands with a few keystrokes - even those commands you entered yesterday. The history file allows for eight bit characters in commands and supports essentially unlimited size histories. o In-line Editing: In "sh", the only way to fix mistyped commands is to backspace or retype the line. KSH-93 allows you to edit a command line using a choice of EMACS-TC or "vi" functions. You can use the in-line editors to complete filenames as you type them. You may also use this editing feature when entering command lines from your history file. A user can capture keystrokes and rebind keys to customize the editing interface. o Extended I/O Capabilities: KSH-93 provides several I/O capabilities not available in "sh", including the ability to: * specify a file descriptor for input and output * start up and run co-processes * produce a prompt at the terminal before a read * easily format and interpret responses to a menu * echo lines exactly as output without escape processing * format output using printf formats. * read and echo lines ending in "\\". o Improved performance: KSH-93 executes many scripts faster than the System V Bourne shell. A major reason for this is that many of the standard utilities are built-in. To reduce the time to initiate a command, KSH-93 allows commands to be added as built-ins at run time on systems that support dynamic loading such as System V Release 4. o Arithmetic: KSH-93 allows you to do integer arithmetic in any base from two to sixty-four. You can also do double precision floating point arithmetic. Almost the complete set of C language operators are available with the same syntax and precedence. Arithmetic expressions can be used to as an argument expansion or as a separate command. In addition there is an arithmetic for command that works like the for statement in C. o Arrays: KSH-93 supports both indexed and associative arrays. The subscript for an indexed array is an arithmetic expression, whereas, the subscript for an associative array is a string. o Shell Functions and Aliases: Two mechanisms - functions and aliases - can be used to assign a user-selected identifier to an existing command or shell script. Functions allow local variables and provide scoping for exception handling. Functions can be searched for and loaded on first reference the way scripts are. o Substring Capabilities: KSH-93 allows you to create a substring of any given string either by specifying the starting offset and length, or by stripping off leading or trailing substrings during parameter substitution. You can also specify attributes, such as upper and lower case, field width, and justification to shell variables. o More pattern matching capabilities: KSH-93 allows you to specify extended regular expressions for file and string matches. o KSH-93 uses a hierarchal name space for variables. Compound variables can be defined and variables can be passed by reference. In addition, each variable can have one or more disciplines associated with it to intercept assignments and references. o Improved debugging: KSH-93 can generate line numbers on execution traces. Also, I/O redirections are now traced. There is a DEBUG trap that gets evaluated after each command so that errors can be localized. o Job Control: On systems that support job control, including System V Release 4, KSH-93 provides a job-control mechanism almost identical to that of the BSD "csh", version 4.1. This feature allows you to stop and restart programs, and to move programs between the foreground and the background. o Added security: KSH-93 can execute scripts which do not have read permission and scripts which have the setuid and/or setgid set when invoked by name, rather than as an argument to the shell. It is possible to log or control the execution of setuid and/or setgid scripts. The noclobber option prevents you from accidentally erasing a file by redirecting to an existing file. o KSH-93 can be extended by adding built-in commands at run time. In addition, KSH-93 can be used as a library that can be embedded into an application to allow scripting.