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[173.17.84.59]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i3sm8469110ioq.13.2021.02.19.16.30.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:30:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install From: dana In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:30:36 -0600 Cc: Zsh hackers list Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8EB80EEF-A821-4FD5-907A-C5FE32D2432A@gmail.com> To: Marlon Richert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Seq: 48083 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: On 14 Feb 2021, at 02:12, Marlon Richert = wrote: > No, I completely disagree here. I don=E2=80=99t think anybody wants = the > questionnaire. It=E2=80=99s extremely cumbersome to use. Despite the title of the thread, i didn't actually expect that large of = a change to zsh-newuser-install itself. I know from comments i've seen = on-line that many people find the wizard overwhelming, but i don't have any = evidence that specifically points to '[nobody] wants the questionnaire'. I'm fine = with getting rid of it if the others want to, i just don't know myself. There are also some moving parts we haven't really even discussed, like = how these changes will affect packagers. Are we going to get rid of the recommended-zshrc mechanism (option 2) that is used by Debian &al.? Or = is this config going to co-exist with it? Or are we going to unify them somehow? Should we consult with some down-stream maintainers on this? I argued = before that the config is not going to be very useful if it does less than what down-stream are doing already, but it's also not going to be useful if = the maintainers just override it with skel or whatever because they don't = like it. As for what's currently in the rewritten script... i wonder if it's = really even necessary to ask every new user where they want to put their shell = files. I don't have any evidence, but it seems like a high burden (having to = read and answer the questions) compared to the amount of people who are actually = going to feel strongly about it. dana