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From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: Zsh hackers list <zsh-workers@zsh.org>
Subject: Re: Bug with unset variables
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 10:48:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH+w=7Y8P5Gf0NOZrvyQSUHSPkFD4TK2tOnTGUmHEBq0mUtrBg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <887944058.1348251.1605178076357@mail2.virginmedia.com>

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 2:48 AM Peter Stephenson <
p.w.stephenson@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>
> This is a long standing feature of zsh, so the default behaviour
> is not going to change.  Almost certainly there was no direct
> thought at the time zsh was implemented about the details
> of this case, so it was probably  not a formal syntactical
> decision.
>

If we go back far enough, to the original Bourne shell, there's no such
thing as local variables, no variable type except string, and no variable
that can both exist and be unset.  Everything is either in the exported
global environment as a string, or it doesn't exist at all.

The next step is variables that can exist in the global environment but are
not exported.  But they still always have to either be a (possibly empty)
string, or not exist at all.

Zsh preserves that behavior, then adds that you can explicitly unset a
variable and zsh will remember its "type" as long as the variable is in the
same scope.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-12 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-11 15:57 Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 16:13 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-11 16:56   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 17:02     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-11 18:03       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 18:16         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-11 20:42           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12  0:20             ` Mikael Magnusson
2020-11-12  1:10               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12  8:45             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-12 10:47               ` Peter Stephenson
2020-11-12 18:48                 ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2020-11-12 19:49                 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12 18:46               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12 19:10                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-12 21:08                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13  8:51                     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-14  0:52                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-14  5:41                         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-16 19:41                           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-16 20:22                             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-17 20:28                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 22:45                                 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-22  1:20                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23  4:00                                     ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-23  6:18                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-19  2:59                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-22  1:50                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-17 20:54                             ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-22  1:49                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23  6:48                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-23  7:26                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23 20:26                                     ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-23 23:39                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-24  0:52                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-25  8:46                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-27 15:44                                             ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-27 20:49                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-27 20:59                                                 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-27 21:33                                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-27 23:37                                                     ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-27 23:45                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-28  0:24                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-28  7:32                                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-28 12:05                                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12 19:26                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-12 21:48                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 22:17                     ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-14  0:58                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 18:36         ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-11 21:08           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 17:02     ` Peter Stephenson
2020-11-11 18:05       ` Felipe Contreras

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