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Subject: Re: Any way to allow clobbering empty files when noclobber is set?
To: Vin Shelton <acs@alumni.princeton.edu>
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:14 PM Vin Shelton <acs@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote:
>
> If we want to support this feature, why don't we change the meaning of
> NO_CLOBBER to mean only non-empty files?  What is the significance of a
> 0-length file as opposed to a file with contents?

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