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Sat, 08 Oct 2022 12:58:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6e0e440b-8e26-4a15-8f69-7b393aa6ff13@app.fastmail.com> <1142471274.1562947.1664268254401@mail.virginmedia.com> <9cf82892-e90a-4404-8b56-04b0046b9165@app.fastmail.com> <95fa0bd2-be50-20c9-612a-69a5625270fe@umbrellix.net> <15940bd1-e1d0-4837-2de3-7ced76d49d28@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <15940bd1-e1d0-4837-2de3-7ced76d49d28@gmx.com> From: Bart Schaefer Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2022 12:58:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: On the "Words Matter" issue (was Re: The request of words matter updated; quotes deleted) To: zsh-workers@zsh.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Seq: 50767 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 10:55 AM Eric Cook wrote: > > Within the context that master _and_ slave is used, i do. This is the point (which I tried to make in my "thoughts" message): The term of offense is not "master" by itself, but that's the word that all arguments against making a change have latched onto. A secondary point is that its hypocritical to claim both that this should be an apolitical technical decision and also to assert that it's only a valid issue if certain recognizable segments of the user base are those expressing an opinion. There is no use of "slave" I can find that does not imply being unwillingly bound or restricted. Playacting at same does not constitute an exception. That a particular use does not refer to human trafficking does not remove the implication or the analogy. Changing unrelated uses of "master" is not even up for debate here. However, what should be considered is the ten or so other and more visible (because they're in shell scripts) uses of "slave". As far as I'm concerned, that's the only reason this discussion hasn't already been called by fiat (as in, by PWS pushing the patch he's already proposed, or something very much like it).