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From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: Dave Yost <Dave@yost.com>
Cc: zsh workers <zsh-workers@zsh.org>
Subject: Re: indented heredocs
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 14:10:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH+w=7bGEb13SUxX-whdHzWRktoiMdvgSosJvcEoZ+t0z3FOhA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CFA2339B-26F2-4104-AAD2-64852509286B@yost.com>

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Dave Yost <Dave@yost.com> wrote:
>
> Surely people have thought of this (Alternative 1):
>
> 0 Wed 10:53:53 ~
> 205 Z% cat <<xx
>   foo
>   bar
>   xx
> foo
> bar
> 0 Wed 10:53:53 ~
> 206 Z%
>
> but shells don’t do that.

[...]

> I suggested this (Alternative 2), which [Bourne] liked:
>
> 0 Wed 10:53:53 ~
> 206 Z% cat \
>   <<xx
>   foo
>   bar
>   xx
> foo
> bar
> 0 Wed 10:54:10 ~
> 207 Z%

I'm not thrilled with this idea because it gives special semantics to
backslash-newline (as well as to leading spaces before "<<") which do
not currently exist.  In existing syntax, backslash-newline can simply
be discarded without changing the meaning of the command line, I think
even before tokenization.

I would propose instead something similar (read on below) to this:

% cat <<-'  xx'
  foo
  bar
  xx
foo
bar
%

This explicitly quotes the leading space that is to be stripped, so
there is no parsing ambiguity, and it piggybacks on the existing <<-
syntax, merely changing the expected leading space from "all tabs" to
"the leading whitespace on the end marker".

> I don’t think that would help anything. If the parser doesn’t know how to do
> the new syntax with the existing << operator, you’ll get an error, and if the
> parser doesn’t know the new operator, you’ll get an error. Same difference.

It is a consideration that we might prefer that older shells choke on
the new syntax.  I think having them choke by failing to find the end
marker is rather worse than having them choke by failing to recognize
the operator -- something that wrongly appears to be the end marker
might appear later in the script if we go your "Alternative 2" route.

Taken literally, my example above would be accepted by an older shell
and processed without stripping the leading spaces.  If that's
unacceptable, we need a different (and currently invalid) replacement
for "<<-" (the only thing that comes to mind is "<<|" which seems a
bad choice).


  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-12-21 22:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-21 19:29 Dave Yost
2016-12-21 19:50 ` Daniel Shahaf
2016-12-21 20:38 ` Dave Yost
2016-12-21 22:10 ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2016-12-21 23:04   ` Bart Schaefer
2016-12-22 19:04     ` Philippe Troin
2016-12-22 21:10       ` Bart Schaefer
2016-12-29  9:56       ` Vincent Lefevre
2016-12-29 22:31   ` Nikolay Aleksandrovich Pavlov (ZyX)
2016-12-30  2:56     ` Bart Schaefer
2016-12-31 18:11       ` Nikolay Aleksandrovich Pavlov (ZyX)

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