From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: zsh-workers@zsh.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:36:06 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH+w=7bd+XYR6nOFj0iY-0b50Wpz_9c1yGV98acutpzamWSkkw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220831122842.GC992100@zira.vinc17.org>
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 5:34 AM Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> wrote:
>
> On 2022-08-30 14:31:30 -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > Yes, but "we" are zsh veterans. We don't need a simpler .zshrc, but
> > newcomers do.
>
> Having a too simple .zshrc file is not helping them. Rather than
> hidden defaults, I think that it is better to have explicit values
> in some default .zshrc file, so that it is easier to change them.
We've made several stabs at this without ever coming to a resolution.
The most recent attempt was in spring 2021 (search archives for
subject "Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install").
There have always been 3 problems:
* Supplying a default file leads to package maintainers shoving it
into /etc, despite admonitions to the contrary
* A small well-documented file is easy to understand and edit, but ...
* ... others want the default file to enable and configure all the
cool/powerful features
Consequently we go round in circles and end up changing nothing.
> I currently use HISTSIZE=8000 SAVEHIST=8000, and while this value
> is OK on some machines, I've noticed that I sometimes lose commands,
> and indeed, after a look, this gives me only a 12-day history on my
> main machine, while I would have thought that it would be several
> weeks (I wish I could set a minimum time limit for the history).
That's actually not a bad idea, and would probably work well in
conjunction with HIST_SAVE_NO_DUPS. Would require EXTENDED_HISTORY.
> And there's more than the history. I suspect that many users would
> like "bindkey -e", a better prompt and better completions than the
> default.
Cf. "all the cool/powerful features" ...
(Isn't "bindkey -e" already the default? Is this just to overcome
having EDITOR=vim or some such?)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-08-31 19:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-24 4:31 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Improve defaults Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 4:31 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] Make SAVEHIST default to HISTSIZE Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 4:31 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] Increase default HISTSIZE to 1000 Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 4:31 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 9:06 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-24 17:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 18:28 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 19:11 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 19:24 ` Matthew Martin
2022-08-24 19:25 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 19:40 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 20:03 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 20:11 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 20:27 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 20:53 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-25 8:04 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-25 22:22 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-25 22:44 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-25 23:08 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-26 4:22 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-31 11:43 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-26 5:20 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-26 13:57 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-08-26 14:04 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-08-26 23:43 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-08-27 15:17 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-27 15:34 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-08-26 18:44 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 0:23 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-08-27 0:31 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-27 3:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 3:52 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-08-27 15:44 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-30 19:31 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-31 12:28 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-31 19:36 ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2022-09-01 0:23 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-01 0:35 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 1:21 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-01 2:42 ` [PATCH] initialization of main keymap Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 21:58 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-01 22:34 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 22:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 8:51 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 13:23 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:42 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-04 9:39 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-05 8:55 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 16:48 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-04 9:35 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 0:04 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 5:06 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-02 13:15 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-04 9:42 ` ${EDITOR} with spaces (was: Re: [PATCH] initialization of main keymap) Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-04 10:48 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-05 9:15 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-05 21:17 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-02 9:20 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 13:50 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-31 21:57 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-08-31 22:28 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-01 0:29 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 22:45 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 3:46 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-02 5:57 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 23:14 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-02 23:56 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 9:18 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 12:50 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 13:47 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 13:38 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 19:07 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 19:27 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 20:08 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 20:23 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 20:49 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 23:12 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 18:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-04 0:08 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 19:24 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 0:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 2:24 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-27 15:40 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-27 15:55 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-27 17:53 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-24 20:58 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Improve defaults Bart Schaefer
2022-08-24 21:50 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 22:18 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-24 22:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 21:39 ` Mikael Magnusson
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