From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name>
Cc: "zsh-workers@zsh.org" <zsh-workers@zsh.org>,
Martin Tournoij <martin@arp242.net>
Subject: Re: Any way to allow clobbering empty files when noclobber is set?
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 22:00:09 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH+w=7bwKvJ7F4JCu7CUuTVxivy8OScCFwN97DKnK9M9QXqVSA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a36ec51a-6f76-454f-9a1a-327557de3223@www.fastmail.com>
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:06 PM Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:>
>
> [ Let's call this UNLINK_EMPTY_AFTER_FAILURE for the sake of discussion. ]
>
> Bart Schaefer wrote on Thu, 04 Jun 2020 02:43 +00:00:
> >
> > How does that user experience differ from HIST_ALLOW_CLOBBER?
>
> Well, for one, because that proposal only takes effect when foo exited
> non-zero, created bar, and bar is zero-sized?
Fair enough, although (silly example) "false > empty" would remove the
file? Wouldn't you at least want the reason for the unlink to be that
the redirection failed, rather than that the command exited non-zero?
What if the redirection target is a symbolic link? What if it isn't a
plain file?
> > and silently unlinking a file is not very friendly. The /etc/nologin
> > example in your next message comes to mind.
>
> Doesn't this argument also apply to anyone who might set CLOBBER_EMPTY
> and then lose the timestamps on empty files, as in your next message?
Yes, but to a lesser degree, because the file is at least still
present if it's presence means something.
> Seriously, though, it's perfectly possible that CLOBBER_EMPTY is the
> better solution here. I was only brainstorming.
Sure, you just got me curious about thinking through it.
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2020-06-03 2:08 ` Martin Tournoij
2020-06-03 12:04 ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-04 1:48 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-04 2:43 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-04 4:06 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-04 5:00 ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2020-06-05 3:10 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-05 3:18 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-06 1:07 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-06 4:48 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-06 7:04 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-04 6:31 ` Martin Tournoij
2020-06-05 2:22 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-04 2:13 ` Vin Shelton
2020-06-04 2:35 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-04 2:36 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-04 11:57 ` Vin Shelton
2020-06-04 5:06 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-04 5:41 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-06-05 2:07 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-05 4:38 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-06-06 1:41 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-06 4:55 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-06 6:25 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-06-06 7:08 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-06 8:03 ` Daniel Shahaf
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[not found] ` <e7f7dfe2-eb4a-457b-85fb-091935a74c0e@www.fastmail.com>
2020-06-06 11:57 ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-06 12:48 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-06-06 15:24 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-06 16:24 ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-07 11:55 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-07 17:00 ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-08 3:27 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-06-08 9:30 ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-07 17:20 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-06 15:09 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-04 6:47 ` Martin Tournoij
2020-06-04 9:42 ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-04 12:20 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-06-04 12:26 ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-04 12:15 ` Peter Stephenson
2020-06-04 20:35 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-06-05 1:59 ` Daniel Shahaf
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