From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28366 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2021 10:01:19 -0000 Received: from zero.zsh.org (2a02:898:31:0:48:4558:7a:7368) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Mar 2021 10:01:19 -0000 ARC-Seal: i=1; cv=none; a=rsa-sha256; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20200801; t=1616580079; b=FXlxhVHVblvQvshN0xqzRjeR1wCSKhJSBV/QeP5Ga50C4j5pJwcw1zdd7ioQ/ZflcXvhliLncT n889JpheX+8TOf15qCyLZCiI7wSeP7oXPmNjYABYIm1JZe85R7e2NRcf3AW9/ho75A260zrP9u O7+SdoWi3UaYInIUchzBL8oky5LPo+IGsE6VxAkMkqHsAA/YggFrDSXVruLcyp7XI/FZRDOcru ETzzW6oKOtpHGvZuUWumR9Q6O174V7QwyWMj9hLfHpuUDlYNbzLWmsNKXms8eT6MIDio4FiZPR 0eQVzNSc9t5CWJSp4FaqJxe/4Dax670L7SKZAgEi8l06cA==; ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; zsh.org; iprev=pass (mail-lf1-f46.google.com) smtp.remote-ip=209.85.167.46; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.a=rsa-sha256; dmarc=pass header.from=gmail.com; arc=none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20200801; t=1616580079; bh=pNXJTlAsin9Yflma7B6gtCXYtE6iFHnFYbIAnsRYpZs=; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Help: List-Id:Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Cc:To:Subject: Message-ID:Date:From:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature; b=TYzr67ue/ITyBxGENaV1l7abZHz5RMh4hVEWvsH/UNE+ZmxvYc+74jyVtwXdxAroWH63t2876a amPYl6y3pyQ82uHP9d95OhZrPoZlbV61z+TSu0Jwo2/Owv9X2lwBzPUgnGpP8NdhIgh7pno/hd cmGqcyYpKAtx4Aipb1zQsn+BWxIMsg8vfdiaX//BaLnQKITLWw77/cFnuN2F3GJQ58Oj1n5ged meOH4HEDksau2eBA52QZnklS+7wtUVq1DlVxoPe9ZxZRz/immxhMLpJ2vc89HVfk1tpopyuXDz 4XfTqLDSnhkOHqMg+VlpX4tB9Wb09+xugAGIp7vN3XmLjw==; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20200801; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Id:Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Cc:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:From:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID; bh=F0IAHnrXehmNAY5DdCWpOVPNxaymGvYF9RN/AxFUYJk=; b=F0kNG7FnVtAsqTsSsTdLQpyPfA 4iIfHXbRFwxQorYNl2m+L+8xexJc1Jn+J9O8u2N2Mw9Avp9sHSS2T/gqLr2RXbru4cTX15Wemixd+ LmzQ66CfCHL8qpX2Cr5zDfmZqf+vfi0CLy5oFl88Aw/4LQApG0HL4qYUf5qOaGesaj6F+8Rm9NaE2 xtzFsWNQcBxFf5hMz8RNXe7iKnC1bjPaT95ciei9bViFiOLSWIdJw6SVi6ooZLjCxavs2nZAyvAL6 QLA8Jxw3rM5VsyhPnk2gErFJ7nbxuUE2Sp6ohpUdB0S0YKJ+jzjTKqd0ce6AY0Uj6d/kKFWmWtQLv TF3Dl4TQ==; Received: from authenticated user by zero.zsh.org with local id 1lP0KD-000Cqp-GM; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:01:17 +0000 Authentication-Results: zsh.org; iprev=pass (mail-lf1-f46.google.com) smtp.remote-ip=209.85.167.46; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.a=rsa-sha256; dmarc=pass header.from=gmail.com; arc=none Received: from mail-lf1-f46.google.com ([209.85.167.46]:36733) by zero.zsh.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) id 1lP0Jw-000CiH-AA; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:01:01 +0000 Received: by mail-lf1-f46.google.com with SMTP id n138so31029742lfa.3 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 03:01:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F0IAHnrXehmNAY5DdCWpOVPNxaymGvYF9RN/AxFUYJk=; b=ljRmqnwkR8U9zhoqzBb0MJB+3kSJiMQeQ9holYSFTdexDvFcCxDuDD07J8Iig0YINy SHCRYyWQA/qP6S3MTvb4DibMoGdNtjEek7A3UutKjinW4gysMa4QrSrGrGoy1KNohI/5 S56nok7RPOjg8Ic6+kQkszu4n3/fMdCg9ZRXdi4qLimV/VKSfSjHlUUJdJOt/XlI/2/V lskd1yVGubXdC0S9Zc/MkwFXX1VIol8p+JLcng5TKmEN6q+H39tRqBO8Q8XOE4enS664 KkPA1G0v5QZm7CwTbCOXD75OcDjLG4K8G4dKQvGBybRzUTnewOgf49dZA8AcIAbEnARm pKmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F0IAHnrXehmNAY5DdCWpOVPNxaymGvYF9RN/AxFUYJk=; b=rByLpr2LfcEb0ark5Sd76MXTXmMnaCd3bjTN71lruPr8ys/+frZU6m0AcJ8DTm/cwp oy/YkHaA9RSqBvVwSJKN0HY4Tn2w4vGZsPh/2QFuHjSDgcYb6+mi3OS16Y28YQS9lDj5 r4u11QOfn27dj8wX4KuGTqDbRG1L0U/Xv31pviNbtqufVWQxcLCOMPE9xtLQWhyWu+EC g/JbOcwt2Ol4sDZ4u9HUjPVx5t5DACUb52ztGSGoBWzJmYja0JRhjnHRCtBRinV+v1jF NDqm1cY4HLsIYop2l1obTjyUB1z9PQs7BM32XXHOcx9KZ5yT/qXdDkESqeQeCX09vtG3 4lXA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530YKOK5grJW5KjKCOG35jAav010/RFd5fAfIjpdZEFDVX0Pv/Ga VM+w2S9UyS6hh9JcxtjD/QEnW2u1tWOBnyuQo1Oq2vf7EQo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyOd8vn+6HjgxpnZO12OqlIpp7mc5xnsSreAUJ1OHvmUu5h3zmu8hH4H0RYKcoegSG4rtvlczJSevzGidApjJs= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:51ac:: with SMTP id f12mr1432851lfk.605.1616580059571; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 03:00:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210225080519.GA22300@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> <20210227132121.GA9308@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> In-Reply-To: <20210227132121.GA9308@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> From: Marlon Richert Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:00:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install To: Daniel Shahaf , dana , Bart Schaefer Cc: Zsh hackers list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Seq: 48232 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 3:21 PM Daniel Shahaf wrot= e: > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:05 AM Daniel Shahaf = wrote: > > > In general, there's , but > > > I don't think we should rely on it. If we have a question to downstr= eam > > > maintainers, we should ask it on an appropriate mailing list =E2=80= =94 e.g., > > > -workers@, or workers@ with an appropriate subject prefix/tag, or as > > > a drive-by mention in the next email to announce@. > > They're just people. They maintain glue code that ties their distro's > build system (ports(7), deb, rpm, =E2=80=A6) to our tarballs, as well as = any > custom patches or configuration their distro uses. If you have > a question for them, you can drop them a line and ask, or start a thread > here and then drop them a line to make sure they're aware of it (not all > downstream maintainers necessarily follow -workers@ closely). > > In the latter case I'd recommend to use some subject tag that downstream > maintainers can simply filter their -workers@ subscription for on an > ongoing basis, in order to remove the need for manual notifications in > the future. On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:58 PM dana wrote: > > On 25 Feb 2021, at 02:05, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > > In this specific case, however, which downstreams actually ship > > a recommended zshrc? I suspect few do, so we can contact them directly= . > > That's a good point, i think i was imagining further-reaching consequence= s > than it will actually have when i first mentioned it. Anyway, Debian, Ubu= ntu, > and their derivatives are the only ones i know of. Google suggests Kali L= inux > has its own (it doesn't just use Debian's), but i don't know much about t= hat > distro. macOS and Homebrew definitely don't use it. It looks like Fedora = uses > skel, so they'll never see the change at all :/ Can one of you point me in the right direction? The number of mailing lists for Debian and Ubuntu is HUGE, but then for Kali Linux, I cannot find a mailing list at all. I have no idea where I should post for any of these.