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From: Marlon Richert <marlon.richert@gmail.com>
To: vq@larryv.me, Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
Cc: Patrick Reader <_@pxeger.com>, Zsh hackers list <zsh-workers@zsh.org>
Subject: Re: Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:41:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHLkEDvToxSvZWGMg7MKkFXjjWEefXW8e=gd+0e5RmuBLkVWEw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D6B297FA-044D-4F4E-8110-D6F4E2058EFE@larryv.me>

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On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 10:33 PM Lawrence Velázquez <vq@larryv.me> wrote:

> The preferred method is to post a patch series to this mailing list.
>

Sure, then I will do that.


Perhaps you could make a proposal and have a discussion here first?
>

Of course. Here's what I would change:

* Fewer questions: Over the past year, I've read many posts by new Zsh
users on Github (in the form of issues and questions on several plugins I
develop), Stack Exchange sites (by reading & answering Zsh-related
questions) and Reddit. The feeling I get from what I've read is that the
amount of questions asked by zsh-newuser-install and compinstall
(especially the latter) is overwhelming new users and they are not sure
what to pick or even what exactly they are picking. Since they have no
prior experience with Zsh, they have a difficult time understanding what is
being asked of them.
* Better defaults: I understand that we cannot change the actual defaults,
since this would disrupt existing Zsh users' configs. However, new users by
definition don't have any Zsh config yet. By using a good set of default
values in zsh-newuser-install and compinstall, we can both reduce the
number of questions we need to ask and greatly improve the out-of-the-box
experience for new users. Since these "defaults" will all be set in the
.zshrc file we generate for them, if they later on don't like them anymore,
they can easily change them.

Additionally, let me emphasize that what I would _not_ do is put lots of
custom logic in the .zshrc. The generated .zshrc file should not contain
anything more complex than the example code snippets in the Zsh manual. The
less moving parts, the better. KISS. What is in there should be easy for
the user to modify without breaking.

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Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-06 20:03 Marlon Richert
     [not found] ` <0102017778f35f33-a962e4d3-83e9-4d3b-a0d7-45701bb40b11-000000@eu-west-1.amazonses.com>
2021-02-06 20:19   ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-06 20:33     ` Lawrence Velázquez
2021-02-06 21:54       ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-07 13:41       ` Marlon Richert [this message]
2021-02-07 13:51         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2021-02-07 17:10           ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-07 17:28             ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-07 20:20               ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-07 21:06             ` dana
2021-02-07 21:15               ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-08 21:57                 ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-08 23:33                   ` Lawrence Velázquez
2021-02-09  1:42                   ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-09  2:00                     ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-09  8:18                       ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-09 23:09                         ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-09  8:17                     ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-09  8:29                       ` Roman Perepelitsa
2021-02-09 23:16                         ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-12  0:09                       ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-12  5:58                         ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-09  4:51                   ` dana
2021-02-09  6:00                     ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-09  7:30                       ` dana
2021-02-09  7:34                         ` dana
2021-02-09  9:55                       ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-09 10:01                         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2021-02-09 10:04                           ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-09 10:56                             ` dana
2021-02-09 11:14                               ` Roman Perepelitsa
2021-02-09 11:39                               ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-09 17:21                                 ` dana
2021-02-09 21:01                                   ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-09 21:41                                     ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-09 23:15                                       ` dana
2021-02-10  0:02                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-10  7:02                                           ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-10  6:57                                         ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-12  0:10                                           ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-12  5:59                                             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2021-02-13  0:23                                               ` dana
2021-02-10  2:30                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-10  7:44                                         ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-10 20:27                                           ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-11  8:30                                             ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-11 21:11                                               ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-11 22:57                                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-12  5:49                                                   ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-12  5:47                                               ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-12 23:43                                                 ` Oliver Kiddle
2021-02-13  1:11                                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-12 23:26                                             ` Oliver Kiddle
2021-02-13  0:15                                               ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-13  1:33                                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-13  1:36                                                 ` Oliver Kiddle
2021-02-13  2:53                                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-13 10:26                                                   ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-13 22:53                                                     ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-14  0:34                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-14  8:12                                                         ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-13 22:56                                                     ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-14  8:01                                                       ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-19 21:38                                                         ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-20  0:30                                                           ` dana
2021-02-20  8:18                                                             ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-20 18:57                                                               ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-21 19:24                                                                 ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-24 22:15                                                               ` dana
2021-02-25  8:05                                                                 ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-02-25 16:58                                                                   ` dana
2021-02-26 22:31                                                                   ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-27 13:21                                                                     ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-02-27 13:46                                                                       ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-03-19 22:12                                                                       ` Marlon Richert
2021-03-24 13:45                                                                         ` gi1242+zsh
2021-03-24 14:16                                                                           ` Paul
2021-03-24 17:44                                                                           ` Bart Schaefer
2021-03-24 20:38                                                                             ` Marlon Richert
2021-03-25  3:36                                                                         ` Paul
2021-04-05 18:16                                                                         ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-04-05 18:52                                                                           ` Sorting of <-> (was Re: Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install) Bart Schaefer
2021-04-05 21:31                                                                           ` Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install gammafunction
2021-04-07 14:45                                                                           ` Marlon
2021-04-09 16:49                                                                             ` Marlon
2021-04-09 23:14                                                                               ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-04-10  1:17                                                                                 ` Oliver Kiddle
2021-04-07 18:17                                                                           ` Mikael Magnusson
2021-04-07 18:56                                                                             ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-03-24 10:00                                                                       ` Marlon Richert
2021-03-25  1:15                                                                         ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-04-05 14:00                                                                           ` Marlon Richert
2021-04-05 18:36                                                                             ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-04-05 19:22                                                                               ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-02-22  3:54                                                           ` Paul
2021-02-22  8:14                                                             ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-22 16:31                                                               ` Bug in compdescribe with matcher 'b:-=+' Bart Schaefer
2021-06-14  8:28                                                                 ` Marlon Richert
2021-08-12 12:03                                                                   ` Marlon Richert
2021-08-12 16:15                                                                     ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-19 21:34                                                       ` Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install Marlon Richert
2021-02-13  1:28                                               ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-13  1:34                                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-04-22 13:57                                               ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-09 23:05                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-09  9:44                     ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-09 18:13                       ` Greg Klanderman
2021-02-08  9:21               ` Peter Stephenson
2021-02-08  6:35             ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-02-08  8:44               ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-08  8:46                 ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-08 10:32                   ` Daniel Shahaf
2021-02-08 17:44                     ` Marlon Richert
2021-02-08 20:47                       ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-09 21:44             ` Eric Cook
2021-02-09 22:34               ` Bart Schaefer
2021-02-07 20:22         ` Bart Schaefer

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