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Sun, 07 Feb 2021 13:16:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0102017778f35f33-a962e4d3-83e9-4d3b-a0d7-45701bb40b11-000000@eu-west-1.amazonses.com> <8BA25288-0FFB-4FF4-9799-541D6A3C52DA@dana.is> In-Reply-To: <8BA25288-0FFB-4FF4-9799-541D6A3C52DA@dana.is> From: Marlon Richert Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 23:15:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install To: dana Cc: Zsh hackers list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Seq: 47942 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 10:22 PM Bart Schaefer w= rote: > This is nowhere near specific enough. Your response to Roman got a > bit better, but what defaults constitute "better" and which questions > to (not) ask is important for the discussion. Well, actually, after reading the whole discussion linked to by Roman, I actually feel that we can get away with asking exactly zero questions from new users, as long as we provide them with a good .zshrc file to start with and a welcome message that tells them where to find it and to edit it if they want to change their settings. Something like this: Welcome to the Z Shell! We've prepared a friendly set of default settings for you. Please try out your new shell for a while to see how you like them. Once you've settled in and want to know a bit better how everything works, you can change your settings by editing the file `.zshrc` in your home folder. Any old text editor will do. More info is available by typing `man zsh` or by going to http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/Release/ Good luck! And as to what defaults I think are "better"? To make that more clear, I think it's probably best I go with Dana's suggestion: On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 11:06 PM dana wrote: > I haven't been following the list super closely the last several months b= ut > afaik most people seemed to agree in principle that a 'do the right thing= ' > default config would be nice. Obviously as Bart said everyone is going to= want > to discuss exactly what that entails =E2=80=94 it seems like just proposi= ng the file > with the settings you want would be a good way to start that process? Whe= ther > you do the work on GitLab or not doesn't matter, but most of the actual > discussion would presumably be on the list Yes, I think that's what I'll do: I'll create a draft of what I think a new user's .zshrc file should look like, and then we can discuss it here. > I had started on my own fork of that repo at the time: > > https://gitlab.com/okdana/zsh-sensible/-/blob/dana/sensible/zshrc > > But i ran out of steam after getting through the basics Daniel had origin= ally > included, and didn't think i'd have the energy to defend the more > 'opinionated' choices i was starting to make. I was also unsure about how= much > explanatory text to include; i wanted to avoid an OMZ situation where nob= ody > who uses it knows what any of it actually does, but re-inventing the manu= al > was probably too far in the other direction Yeah, I think that file contains way too much in the way of comments. As Roman pointed out, most people don't read most text most of the time. > Maybe an inspiration, anyway Thanks, it's much appreciated!