From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from primenet.com.au (ns1.primenet.com.au [203.24.36.2]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 232ec3e0 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 05:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18262 invoked by alias); 4 Jan 2020 05:16:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Workers List List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-Seq: 45228 Received: (qmail 28953 invoked by uid 1010); 4 Jan 2020 05:16:53 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from mail-ua1-f47.google.com by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.102.1/25677. spamassassin: 3.4.2. Clear:RC:0(209.85.222.47):SA:0(-2.0/5.0):. Processed in 3.301304 secs); 04 Jan 2020 05:16:53 -0000 X-Envelope-From: sgniazdowski@gmail.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: | X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: | Received-SPF: pass (ns1.primenet.com.au: SPF record at _netblocks.google.com designates 209.85.222.47 as permitted sender) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IHU4jn9zzkheF5pZh0GvsFUPWCf7LcrfH3xsyqKDJHU=; b=huVcEc3YOmFmfs7yC5v0eMv63BZjvXCQXRhtFKSFy3wJVfGNF+nG5a74HrS6MJDZFA QAeQC0J3OQttPssUNOvX/rFgeoDYIFX5ZxdqvsG0Q6NYvGlLsc+TxKvBF2DX5HLfaFC7 CBLe10iSmxVZSbi4W3CI6JejdWwxrF2eZO0PTbTwFPueOpeAvSK1APStd6mUYg+G89fp 788JcbP8P2Jf4hwGfbIYhjNJqnaCCae4YF2ni1P22dUdV8t0+3PBURXDlrpb0Qp+1Fu9 Yec6sTMJPMKeqB/xGrDvrZIFfTUbYGygQCHlyZ31gb0+gCi+/XidTEegurKlnn5HAmic T8Xw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWUJKHSukljWNVQw2HudOpl+RgsYegzXtIPus5uVDY+sI9iEJHt DMZxWNaPbKUlKOETMm78u3zhX+OEMRPB8w9MS5k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzRDc9rSs+qhsDQqFHXsnuIn7egpb/HBYpLqj8BaFB+CCQqwLj87ItA2OKwgtrNCfO68E2mgiQSFClcsJeTcV0= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:3e84:: with SMTP id x4mr52260323uai.83.1578114976412; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 21:16:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <63663202-4b1d-428a-b16b-5be1425e84ef@www.fastmail.com> <0C0C9775-59EE-4FBB-AB84-3E7FEF6E5024@dana.is> <186D63AE-2F2A-41C3-9E09-CEE0714E2B7F@dana.is> <7379-1578050123.754942@oZAF._NjJ.PSyK> In-Reply-To: <7379-1578050123.754942@oZAF._NjJ.PSyK> From: Sebastian Gniazdowski Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 06:16:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Official plugin manager? To: Oliver Kiddle Cc: Bart Schaefer , dana , Daniel Shahaf , Zsh hackers list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 12:15, Oliver Kiddle wrote: > > As for an official plugin manager, I think the idea has merits. I > brought the idea up in users/22179 but there was little enthusiasm > then. Back then (it was 2016) the number of available plugins wasn't that of today =E2=80=93 now there are 492 plugins compared to 125 plugins in that y= ear (the # of themes went from 86 to 498) =E2=80=93 according to the awesome-zsh-plugins listing. And the quality of the plugins was very low, I know that well because I've examined ~50 plugins from the list to know for sure that the reporting in Zplugin will work. I cannot tell how it's today with the quality, however, in general, it did improve at least in the sense of having quite a few well-written ones, like e.g.: themes (gitprompt, powerlevel10k, agkozak, zinc, etc.). > And I had different problems in mind than those outlined by > Sebastian: for all its popularity and multitudes of "contributors", > OMZ has a quality problem. Contributions are largely forgotten once > accepted because ownership is transferred. They don't make good use of > autoloading, possibly run compinit more than once with changed $fpath > and don't seem to encourage the use of things like add-zsh-hook. They also return the values from functions not through REPLY/reply but via echo, like here: https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh/blob/master/lib/git.zsh > The plugin standard and documentation of it determines those things. I hope that the standard will be made some use if the bundled p-m project would be to start. -- Sebastian Gniazdowski News: https://twitter.com/ZdharmaI IRC: https://kiwiirc.com/client/chat.freenode.net:+6697/#zplugin Blog: http://zdharma.org