From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from primenet.com.au (ns1.primenet.com.au [203.24.36.2]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f9faaaf1 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 11:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 4261 invoked by alias); 2 Jan 2020 11:38:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Workers List List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-Seq: 45190 Received: (qmail 1856 invoked by uid 1010); 2 Jan 2020 11:38:18 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from mail-vs1-f46.google.com by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.102.1/25677. spamassassin: 3.4.2. Clear:RC:0(209.85.217.46):SA:0(-2.0/5.0):. Processed in 1.585088 secs); 02 Jan 2020 11:38:18 -0000 X-Envelope-From: sgniazdowski@gmail.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: | X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: | Received-SPF: pass (ns1.primenet.com.au: SPF record at _netblocks.google.com designates 209.85.217.46 as permitted sender) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XjT/tOVCNrrAnEjML6upycUfoynjzGZUqv6H6Xi81FA=; b=iujx31k6vUfGR6LOJVIFVSfy8NJqt/m0aV4QMGtPVUuSqY/rI0KeDcDY/qf20Ur3n+ tCIUdKabsFgQEwKB9M3GLBMUZm1vsfoBQMXXw+3iiB2FODLjNqIGwpHczNkzHtXkC8xY ygHUbw/DJlrMIgayVdOI9y0wrykCq64CI+eS8hdtVA9uuhi7RCjEvaAreI1msEvUPvBo sA80gWGyHtu+bjfGksg9+QJndzWFSkUFMLoTmYjsRZBIHZe1PDWTSn/o5BiLjBlge3/m sHzelW85ln6LZL46YP4AXhXLczlFdcnlpypnQFUVcu7aWztCFuLuQX1a3izQcbm94zgH VnLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW3s0duKZ4m7nW5ktetRxRFNZLCN5eO9LvIOkk+8JtzA3k4JvQt 9qQCx6kkxTmoOgPSavD/llkLDdSHSwH463wc+FY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw0rVGkE+kzhX536AT4s/Z0Jm3AvEEBCJl6ppjTJ+a+RWJ0DdOeODylzLMYBTiKzKufPeRUqDxUBmSE4cbzW54= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:190:: with SMTP id r16mr41248523vsq.215.1577965063600; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 03:37:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <63663202-4b1d-428a-b16b-5be1425e84ef@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <63663202-4b1d-428a-b16b-5be1425e84ef@www.fastmail.com> From: Sebastian Gniazdowski Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 12:37:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Official plugin manager? To: Daniel Shahaf Cc: Zsh hackers list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 at 12:04, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > http://xyproblem.info/ > > "Write an official plugin manager" is a solution. You have identified > several problems in your mail, so let's talk about those problems and > consider all possible solutions to them (not only the one that you > hardcoded into the subject line of this thread). Okay. I think that the one interesting point was the 3rd one. I think that it harms Zshell's picture out there by making the following thinking common: that you cannot use Zsh without loading a bloated framework like Oh My Zsh. By providing a compact p-m out of the box this would have been pretty much or fully solved: the user could load a decent theme which would also do a few needed setopts, load a syntax highlighting plugin directly without the framework or load just the bits of the framework that he chooses to (this one more as a transition feature than an important one). This way the user would learn that he doesn't need to put large portions of initialization scripts into Zsh, but instead load the desired solutions with out of the box Zsh features. I think that this could lead to a significant decline in OMZ popularity because blog authors could share decent zshrcs which would also include the other needed setopts and zstyles, etc. Right now what they are limited to is "install Oh My Zsh and add X to the plugins=( ... ) array". I honestly cannot come up with a different solution to this problem than the official, compact plugin manager. -- Sebastian Gniazdowski News: https://twitter.com/ZdharmaI IRC: https://kiwiirc.com/client/chat.freenode.net:+6697/#zplugin Blog: http://zdharma.org