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Tue, 27 Sep 2022 23:18:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6e0e440b-8e26-4a15-8f69-7b393aa6ff13@app.fastmail.com> <1142471274.1562947.1664268254401@mail.virginmedia.com> <9cf82892-e90a-4404-8b56-04b0046b9165@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Felipe Contreras Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 01:17:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The request of words matter updated To: Mikael Magnusson Cc: Daniel Shahaf , Peter Stephenson , zsh-workers@zsh.org, Xiao Ling XL Chen , Kui K Zhang Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Seq: 50679 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 4:39 PM Mikael Magnusson wrote: > > On 9/27/22, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > > -1 on the patch because I don't believe people who disagree with the > > change feel comfortable saying so publicly. > > If a word is so bad that people don't want to say that they want to > keep it, then we should not keep it. There's nothing "bad" about the word a priori. If *you* believe it has to be changed, then *you* have the burden of proof. Just like any other change. -- Felipe Contreras