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Sat, 08 Oct 2022 00:54:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6e0e440b-8e26-4a15-8f69-7b393aa6ff13@app.fastmail.com> <1142471274.1562947.1664268254401@mail.virginmedia.com> <9cf82892-e90a-4404-8b56-04b0046b9165@app.fastmail.com> <293717690.1711429.1664382844704@mail.virginmedia.com> <322402e9-db22-9917-8983-f328a3e76cec@protonmail.com> <20221004070520.GC27622@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> In-Reply-To: <20221004070520.GC27622@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> From: Felipe Contreras Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2022 02:54:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The request of words matter updated To: Daniel Shahaf Cc: Wesley , zsh-workers@zsh.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Seq: 50746 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 2:05 AM Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Wesley wrote on Mon, Oct 03, 2022 at 15:27:49 +0000: > > On 9/28/22 12:34, Peter Stephenson wrote: > On the other hand, the change would allegedly make it easier for some > people to participate in the community. I have debated this point ad nauseam. It's not good enough to say this change *might* benefit some hypothetical people: these people have to be identified. A lawyer cannot go to court on behalf of some hypothetical plaintiff: somebody has to say "this affects me". This whole "master" debate boils down to this: not **one** person has claimed they find the term personally offensive. All the people against the term are proposing the change on behalf of hypothetical people, not themselves. In other words: they are being offended by proxy. Do we have a single black person raising their hand and saying "I find the term 'master' personally offensive"? -- Felipe Contreras