From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Eric Cook <llua@gmx.com>
Cc: zsh-workers@zsh.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:11:20 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMP44s1SGUaXVktpEStFg-s1QK+=PwB5zyD35Fa2vu=gJ7EmwQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2f703212-b093-c7ed-7295-14dd39b75c96@gmx.com>
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 1:33 PM Eric Cook <llua@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> On 8/24/22 13:32, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 4:12 AM Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> >>
> >> Felipe Contreras wrote on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:31 +00:00:
> >>> Better to use the same HISTFILE in both.
> >>
> >> Agreed, but...
> >>
> >>> +++ b/Etc/FAQ.yo
> >>> @@ -1629,7 +1629,7 @@ label(321)
> >>> In zsh, you need to set the location where you want the history to be written
> >>> with tt($HISTFILE). For example,
> >>> verb(
> >>> - HISTFILE=~/.zsh_history
> >>> + HISTFILE=~/.histfile
> >>
> >> The default name should include "zsh" somewhere for coexistence with
> >> other programs. So, I'd rather keep the FAQ as-is.
> >
> > I agree having a '.zsh_' prefix is more consistent with other
> > programs, but then that's what should be in the newuser-install
> > script, no?
> >
> > I actually think this should be the default, no need for *everyone* to
> > specify this.
>
> Yes *everyone* should specify it.
Why?
All programs dump their history by default. Node, python, ruby, less,
mariadb, and of course bash and ksh. Those are the ones that I can
easily find.
> Aside from the arbitrary bump in HISTSIZE, if HISTFILE is set by default and
> zsh is invoked with -f which is common when debugging or testing you get the
> expected defaults. But if the user typically increases SAVEHIST from said
> default, because regardless of what you set it to, people will change it to
> their preference, you create the same problem that other shells like bash have,
> the truncation of HISTFILE to the default SAVEHIST upon the exit of that zsh -f session.
> usually without the user noticing for a period of time.
So because of this corner case that 99.99% of people are never going
to hit we should bother 100% of users. It doesn't seem like an issue
worthy of so much consideration. Moreover, it could be solved in other
ways, like not setting HISTFILE when NO_RCS is on.
Cheers.
--
Felipe Contreras
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-08-24 19:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-24 4:31 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Improve defaults Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 4:31 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] Make SAVEHIST default to HISTSIZE Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 4:31 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] Increase default HISTSIZE to 1000 Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 4:31 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 9:06 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-24 17:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 18:28 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 19:11 ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2022-08-24 19:24 ` Matthew Martin
2022-08-24 19:25 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 19:40 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 20:03 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 20:11 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 20:27 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 20:53 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-25 8:04 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-25 22:22 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-25 22:44 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-25 23:08 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-26 4:22 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-31 11:43 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-26 5:20 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-26 13:57 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-08-26 14:04 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-08-26 23:43 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-08-27 15:17 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-27 15:34 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-08-26 18:44 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 0:23 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-08-27 0:31 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-27 3:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 3:52 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-08-27 15:44 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-30 19:31 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-31 12:28 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-31 19:36 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 0:23 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-01 0:35 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 1:21 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-01 2:42 ` [PATCH] initialization of main keymap Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 21:58 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-01 22:34 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 22:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 8:51 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 13:23 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:42 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-04 9:39 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-05 8:55 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 16:48 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-04 9:35 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 0:04 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 5:06 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-02 13:15 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-04 9:42 ` ${EDITOR} with spaces (was: Re: [PATCH] initialization of main keymap) Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-04 10:48 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-05 9:15 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-05 21:17 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-02 9:20 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 13:50 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-31 21:57 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-08-31 22:28 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-01 0:29 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 22:45 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 3:46 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-02 5:57 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 23:14 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-02 23:56 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 9:18 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 12:50 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 13:47 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 13:38 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 19:07 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 19:27 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 20:08 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 20:23 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 20:49 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 23:12 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 18:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-04 0:08 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 19:24 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 0:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 2:24 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-27 15:40 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-27 15:55 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-27 17:53 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-24 20:58 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Improve defaults Bart Schaefer
2022-08-24 21:50 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 22:18 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-24 22:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 21:39 ` Mikael Magnusson
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