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Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:18:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220824043145.165779-1-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> <20220824043145.165779-4-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> <7779ec6b-10d5-410a-97da-5ec545cd6e1c@www.fastmail.com> <764a967b-86df-42bf-9242-22e9aeedfac6@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Felipe Contreras Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 22:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install To: Bart Schaefer Cc: zsh-workers@zsh.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Seq: 50535 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 7:31 PM Bart Schaefer wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:23 PM Mikael Magnusson wrote: > > > > Besides that, the whole thing is way too > > disruptive just for you to save 2 lines in your .zshrc. > > Pretty much exactly that. The argument FOR doing something has to be > persuasive, rebutting specific counterpoints is only part of that. I > haven't seen anyone yet supporting your position without modification. I'm not sure what you mean. The argument in favor is right there: it potentially reduces the number of options required in the configuration. If you are a zsh veteran who has carefully curated his .zshrc configuration over a period of 30 years and has 1000 lines of configuration, sure, saving 2 lines is negligible, in which case don't use the new configuration. But if you are an 18yo kid who just installed zsh, a configuration of 3 lines vs. a configuration of 1 line makes a difference of 67%. That's quite a lot. A better experience for new users is just better. The `zsh-newuser-install` script is a step in the right direction, but in my view it shouldn't be necessary. Running zsh with no configuration should do a decent job for most people by default. The ideal minimal configuration that does a good enough job for most people should be *zero* lines. Even if we never get there, any line saved is a step in the right direction. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras