From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Roman Perepelitsa <roman.perepelitsa@gmail.com>
Cc: "Mikael Magnusson" <mikachu@gmail.com>,
"Lawrence Velázquez" <larryv@zsh.org>,
"Bart Schaefer" <schaefer@brasslantern.com>,
zsh-workers@zsh.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2022 15:08:42 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMP44s333SfVMoiKshkUswsTpjw70oYtiAQjid4=8pdbx7N7XA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN=4vMoZCRgHm3TP1z-U_=h+HuYXx6ZF-rWvH6urtjnwTmwBgw@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 2:27 PM Roman Perepelitsa
<roman.perepelitsa@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 9:07 PM Felipe Contreras
> <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 8:39 AM Roman Perepelitsa
> > <roman.perepelitsa@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 5:46 AM Mikael Magnusson <mikachu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > SAVEHIST greater than HISTSIZE is always equivalent to
> > > > its being equal to HISTSIZE [...]
> > >
> > > I believe this is the case as far as using history from within zsh is
> > > concerned. If I understand correctly, Felipe wants to have fewer
> > > commands available in history when using zsh than what is stored in
> > > HISTFILE. I'm not sure under which circumstances this can be desired.
> > > Perhaps when working on a system with very little RAM, plenty of disk
> > > space and no swap? In any case, I wouldn't recommend using such a
> > > configuration to beginners because it's bound to cause confusion. It
> > > can be surprising when some lines from HISTFILE aren't available when
> > > searching or printing history from within zsh.
> >
> > No, this is not what I want.
>
> My apologies. I thought this was what you wanted based on [1] where
> you mentioned that you set history parameters thus:
My configuration at any particular point in time is not relevant to
the discussion of defaults.
And you omitted the very next sentence I said:
I don't have any particularly good reason for the numbers, I just want
my history saved.
If you really want to know 2 of those 3 values are different now, and
they will probably be different tomorrow. Again, this is irrelevant.
> > This is not something new users should be burdened with, they don't
> > need to know what SAVEHIST means, just that it should be set to
> > $HISTSIZE.
>
> Can you clarify what you mean here? Are you saying that there are no
> use cases for setting SAVEHIST and HISTSIZE to different (unequal)
> values?
Of course I'm not saying that. Absolutely nobody is suggesting to
remove SAVEHIST, so this is a smoke screen.
We are talking about the *defaults*, and what makes sense for new users.
> Or perhaps that the vast majority of users would be best
> served by setting these parameters to the same value?
Not the vast majority, the majority.
And the current documentation already presupposes that.
--
Felipe Contreras
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-09-03 20:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-24 4:31 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Improve defaults Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 4:31 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] Make SAVEHIST default to HISTSIZE Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 4:31 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] Increase default HISTSIZE to 1000 Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 4:31 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 9:06 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-24 17:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 18:28 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 19:11 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 19:24 ` Matthew Martin
2022-08-24 19:25 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 19:40 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 20:03 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 20:11 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-24 20:27 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 20:53 ` Eric Cook
2022-08-25 8:04 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-25 22:22 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-25 22:44 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-25 23:08 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-26 4:22 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-31 11:43 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-26 5:20 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-26 13:57 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-08-26 14:04 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-08-26 23:43 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-08-27 15:17 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-27 15:34 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-08-26 18:44 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 0:23 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-08-27 0:31 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-27 3:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 3:52 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-08-27 15:44 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-30 19:31 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-31 12:28 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-31 19:36 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 0:23 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-01 0:35 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 1:21 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-01 2:42 ` [PATCH] initialization of main keymap Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 21:58 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-01 22:34 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 22:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 8:51 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 13:23 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:42 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-04 9:39 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-05 8:55 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 16:48 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-04 9:35 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 0:04 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 5:06 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-02 13:15 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-04 9:42 ` ${EDITOR} with spaces (was: Re: [PATCH] initialization of main keymap) Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-04 10:48 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-05 9:15 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-05 21:17 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-02 9:20 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 13:50 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-31 21:57 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-08-31 22:28 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-01 0:29 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-01 22:45 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 3:46 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-02 5:57 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 23:14 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-02 23:56 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 9:18 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 12:50 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 13:47 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-02 13:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 13:38 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 19:07 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 19:27 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 20:08 ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2022-09-03 20:23 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 20:49 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-03 23:12 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 18:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-04 0:08 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-09-03 19:24 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 0:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 2:24 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-27 15:40 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-27 15:55 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-27 17:53 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-24 20:58 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Improve defaults Bart Schaefer
2022-08-24 21:50 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 22:18 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-24 22:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-24 21:39 ` Mikael Magnusson
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