From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from primenet.com.au (ns1.primenet.com.au [203.24.36.2]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 39bf1689 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 14:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6244 invoked by alias); 31 Jul 2019 14:12:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Workers List List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-Seq: 44626 Received: (qmail 1265 invoked by uid 1010); 31 Jul 2019 14:12:07 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from mail-io1-f45.google.com by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.101.2/25524. spamassassin: 3.4.2. Clear:RC:0(209.85.166.45):SA:0(-2.0/5.0):. Processed in 1.797823 secs); 31 Jul 2019 14:12:07 -0000 X-Envelope-From: roman.perepelitsa@gmail.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: | X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: | Received-SPF: pass (ns1.primenet.com.au: SPF record at _netblocks.google.com designates 209.85.166.45 as permitted sender) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1/ctIXy5NNXOOd0qptBljQbsuZnfc5GrdtehcAukRA4=; b=lFGAu8vhx6YlUAF0Qhc+ZCUGUKDLfj1I/SPJciv5FkNaJ16nu6XF+az8zIULAQgUYJ VetUYxijL5RTumkG+of4wvaRGuB2vQvLCLh4cC83TvxYGQgswUFs+SFkaGdhKKHg4IrG /qZJzfEjiqFk9FsNaDXkmw1Qj2fPBSEFPe3mFFXpAka780DxJ4Lt8OD2bYeO5Kvg5dcR spwSHBGDc57fDfLFSMYdR3NQqFXvnearUe0HiAcrhzCWQEaBAWL2mNygz3ah0DndHI4T WxyKI2Zors3oeZnfZXrNIhlmHe5jxSqJ+r9SEIRGT3KfIXGlkiUUduyPObWNu96/pf/N rtpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1/ctIXy5NNXOOd0qptBljQbsuZnfc5GrdtehcAukRA4=; b=GqG3OJ2olSanSTdk6pSNFjUaagCUiq0WP9opG+JNtxyIgYKBZ/6sgmxXVVIhy032Oj TVOpAag8q2DWAdfkRFtfqUVxgr9ScVIeYEqJ35/KuTRvDIOkA0yKtmEm3On+O6g4uX8i EPJSgocm/0S7dLxwiuMw+GtCAy7xwt6xidsGsMloEJXZiElY2dnZRSW2JSagVjpdDZUH vMSnDtr68wenXRqbIJ6iF9FDYtGOao1GVlwK6s5lMZwFmbMlKwIRFvdPYzPs9mJWYFSu vTmXsiYtjVKZdZ1Wgo/nFT/EYrZFc9ZCHGs6Nw+6zQewxbHL1L54QaltUKjsnG9J/VND hByw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXttV0OujRK139Eh4/LUgjnKv547val/JqVE+6tIQA2UtEO4kAi s+052ZUFUpS5tm3xgVk7sMBui6HnXXrdpploy0yPejt54o++vg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwZKtjwR2A4fGCkGWsU5d3q2XiuIvTakN9Go+bRaJpx9sxgiEsUh7WuYrl+ZPwciTojYwFGUJS84BckGZCi+0I= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:f114:: with SMTP id e20mr112864770iog.169.1564582292994; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:11:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49013421-774e-4389-a25d-680f1d97a8ef@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Roman Perepelitsa Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:11:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_A_serious_bug_in_execution_=E2=80=93_where_to_debug=3F?= To: Sebastian Gniazdowski Cc: Daniel Shahaf , Zsh hackers list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:40 PM Sebastian Gniazdowski wrote: > > On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 15:34, Roman Perepelitsa > wrote: > > a feature. It's disrespectful to the developers whose code is > > brutalized, and it causes extra strain on them due to bug reports by > > the affected users. > > I see. For me the topic isn't associated with brutalization. It's a > removal of plugin's widget together with its binding, so that it's not > exposed anymore. A simple withdrawal of plugin's presence. Once upon a time there lived Jack -- the sole designer and manufacturer of TV sets that bore his name. He took pride in the functional and aesthetic properties of his product. Jack TVs had a slick screen that looked almost weightless, and a nice remote for turning the TV on and off. Then one day an enterprising distributor showed up in town and started bundling Jack TV together with other home appliances and advertising rocks as a general tool for turning off electronic devices. "It often works", he said. Jack shook his head every time he saw a scratched or broken screen with his name on the frame. He no longer told people he made those TVs as it became difficult to look at the brutalized hunks of steel and glass with pride. "I'm not brutalizing this TV set, I'm just throwing rocks at it", one customer was heard to say. He didn't know there was a remote. The distributor didn't tell him. Roman.