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Sat, 10 Apr 2021 15:03:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210407162447.GB6316@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> <15283D59-F7B5-4A4C-AFFA-B9D3BB46963F@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Roman Perepelitsa Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 00:03:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install (Mikael's subthread) To: Bart Schaefer Cc: dana , Marlon , Zsh hackers list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Seq: 48488 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:42 PM Bart Schaefer wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM dana wrote: > > > > the proposed changes have gone beyond the scope i'd initially envisioned. > > Ditto. Likewise. I've stopped commenting on this thread when it became apparent that the size and complexity of the default zshrc I had in mind is an order of magnitude lower than what's being discussed. In my opinion, if zsh were to ship with a default zshrc (or generate one via a wizard), it must be REALLY simple and REALLY short. If someone wants to define a better zshrc with more functionality, let them do so and compete with oh-my-zsh. It's much better for the default zshrc to be too conservative than too complex. Roman.