From: Zefram <zefram@fysh.org>
To: schaefer@candle.brasslantern.com (Bart Schaefer)
Cc: zsh-workers@sunsite.auc.dk
Subject: Re: PATCH: 3.0.6/3.1.6: Re: All sorts of file-descriptor strangeness
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:35:56 +0100 (BST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E11aJ8m-0004lr-00@crucigera.fysh.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <991010082734.ZM31398@candle.brasslantern.com> from Bart Schaefer at "Oct 10, 1999 8:27:34 am"
Bart Schaefer wrote:
> that is, both ">& foo" and "&> foo" are shorthand
>for "> foo 2>&1",
Not the main topic of this thread, but that's not quite true. It *used*
to be that way, until someone pointed out that this gave ">& foo" the
wrong behaviour with multios. Now >& (and &>) are handled specially:
they redirect both stdout (or other specified fd) and stderr to the
specified file. More precisely, ">& foo" has the behaviour of "9>
foo >&9 2>&9 9>&-", where "9" is any spare file descriptor. You can
see the difference thus:
% { echo out; echo err >&2; } > foo >& bar
This puts "out" into foo and bar, but "err" into bar only. Replacing ">&
bar" with "> bar 2>&1" gives you "out" and "err" in both files.
The documentation needs to be fixed (patch to follow).
>} The number on the right, on the other
>} hand, can be as many digits long as you like, and can even have whitespace
>} in front of it, and still zsh happily converts it to an integer and tries
>} to dup() it.
...
> so although you can grab a copy of a one
>of the internal file descriptors, the worst thing you can do with it is
>clobber one or more of stdin/out/err with it. So no fix is needed here.
This is something I've always been dubious about. One of the things I
planned to do in my CFT was to implement a syntax allowing redirection of
arbitrary file describtors, rather than just fds 0 to 9. A consequential
requirement would be that the shell gets its private fds out of the way
whenever the user refers to a specific fd number, so this phenomenon
of the shell's fds becoming visible to the user would never occur.
I designed the Elate shell to do this from the very start -- it's not
hard -- but there are some nasty issues involved in retrofitting it to
a shell not designed that way.
I think it would be better to enforce a strict distinction between the
user's fds and the shell's. Since the situation at the moment is that
fds 0 to 9 are the user's, I think fds on the RHS of a dup redirection
should be limited to this range. (Patch to follow.)
-zefram
next prev parent reply other threads:[~1999-10-10 13:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1999-10-05 9:45 Bart Schaefer
1999-10-10 8:27 ` PATCH: 3.0.6/3.1.6: " Bart Schaefer
1999-10-10 13:35 ` Zefram [this message]
1999-10-10 15:54 ` Bart Schaefer
1999-10-10 16:39 ` PATCH: Re: PATCH: no more fd mixups Bart Schaefer
1999-10-10 17:53 ` Zefram
1999-10-10 21:11 ` PATCH: 3.0.6/3.1.6: Re: All sorts of file-descriptor strangeness Bart Schaefer
1999-10-11 8:12 ` Zefram
1999-10-10 17:41 ` Zefram
1999-10-10 14:35 PATCH: no more fd mixups Zefram
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