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From: Matthew Martin <phy1729@gmail.com>
To: Clinton Bunch <cdb_zsh@zentaur.org>
Cc: zsh-workers@zsh.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] zsh/random module [UPDATED]
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 20:21:40 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y3rgtOsy8PnJdAlt@CptOrmolo.darkstar> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3423b634-a7c3-9efc-92cd-b9b995ac1c27@zentaur.org>

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 07:59:54PM -0600, Clinton Bunch wrote:
> On 11/20/2022 7:07 PM, Matthew Martin wrote:
> > I'm not clear on where the getrandom builtin came from. I understand the
> > desire for SRANDOM to have a proper random source in the shell; however,
> > the rest seems like feature creep that if necessary could be implemented
> > with a loop. It seems prudent to keep the initial module to a minimum to
> > ensure there's a usecase and so backwards compat concerns don't crop up.
> > 
> > Would it suffice for your uses to have a module with just SRANDOM?
> 
> One of my use cases is in precmd to replace this function
> 
> get_random() {
>   local retvar=$1;shift
>   local max=${1:-32767}
> 
>   local out=$(( int( rand48(my_seed) * $max + 0.5 ) ))
> 
>   eval "${retvar}=$out"
> }
> 
> used here:
> 
> precmd () {
>   get_random cdb_fg "6"
>   psvar[1]=$(( cdb_fg + 1))
> }
> 
> A better more uniform distribution of random numbers can be achieved with
> 
> getrandom -U 6 -s cdb_fg
> 
> than $SRANDOM % 7 which will have a modulo bias

It's true SRANDOM % 7 would have modulo bias; however, even if only
SRANDOM is provided, the out of range rejection loop could happen in
shell code. While that's less convenient, I am of the opinion once
a user needs to care about modulo bias, they're likely better served by
a language other than shell.

If a uniform random function is desired in zsh, I think it should mirror
the interface of arc4random_uniform: just take an upper_bound and return
a value in the range [0, upper_bound).


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-21  2:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-02 17:13 [PATCH] zsh/random module Clinton Bunch
2022-11-03 17:50 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-11-04  3:17 ` dana
2022-11-04  6:22   ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-04  7:27     ` dana
2022-11-04 12:57       ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-08  0:18         ` [PATCH] zsh/random module [UPDATED] Clinton Bunch
2022-11-18 14:30           ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-19  6:42             ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-11-18 16:23           ` Stephane Chazelas
2022-11-18 17:08             ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-18 18:12               ` Stephane Chazelas
2022-11-18 18:38                 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-23 19:52                   ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-11-24 16:19                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2022-11-24 16:30                       ` Roman Perepelitsa
2022-11-24 22:39                         ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-25  8:53                           ` Stephane Chazelas
2022-11-25  9:40                             ` Stephane Chazelas
2022-11-28 16:37                               ` further discussion of zsh/random (was [PATCH] zsh/random module [UPDATED]) Clinton Bunch
2022-11-21  1:07           ` [PATCH] zsh/random module [UPDATED] Matthew Martin
2022-11-21  1:59             ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-21  2:21               ` Matthew Martin [this message]
2022-11-21  2:57                 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-21  3:14                   ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-11-21  4:17                     ` Bart Schaefer
2022-11-21  5:05                       ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-22 13:42                         ` dana
2022-11-23 19:49                         ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-11-22 17:44                       ` Oliver Kiddle
2022-11-22 19:48                         ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-23  1:23                   ` Matthew Martin
2022-11-23  2:58                     ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-23  4:14                       ` Matthew Martin
2022-11-23 13:41                         ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-23 20:33                           ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-11-23 21:42                             ` dana
2022-11-23 23:54                               ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-11-24  0:17                                 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-11-24  1:05                                 ` dana
2022-11-24 13:52                               ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-23 19:46           ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-11-24  2:58             ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-24 10:07               ` nimaje+zml
2022-11-24 13:19                 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-11-24 14:33             ` Clinton Bunch

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