From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15819 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2021 18:35:52 -0000 Received: from zero.zsh.org (2a02:898:31:0:48:4558:7a:7368) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Aug 2021 18:35:52 -0000 ARC-Seal: i=1; cv=none; a=rsa-sha256; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; t=1628620552; b=RjRsBeSBczJnv/AZDNgk2gI5brsLn9aCwdFiJDoA5jN6y5yOQu2o3dMzdgmVGBuqqvdpRrogGA pExJD9Zjfpk2Piu+99O4Ea3r54VuUOhBwMEUxcX1SGqqFRJawJXKrpQpKnzGvjIDvkKUtryjkI 1m45gCNEaGxIgfkJbk6sIzu52RM3lZwRv55qyHiRkDX4L1gd6361tOo3w8963WHxhCE+E2Rwvq aGz8cMb53KK3B8kUh8kPu7PCJpkVT5HLk+jJ40aOixv95q3CPV8z6CqtDQYRK+ysy0XVXqW9AF YdoUf6vUVGz0R1inZRPLFw33orI03i977n76lsJflGIgmw==; ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; zsh.org; iprev=pass (a.mx.sigpipe.cz) smtp.remote-ip=37.221.242.114; dmarc=none header.from=sigpipe.cz; arc=none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; t=1628620552; bh=mNWQhC3H4KkEFruTZLuIGgyaJ+Zva8ZtZIPD16OpgU8=; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Help: List-Id:Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date: DKIM-Signature; b=cIdnm8rpPf+IAuv7Hny4ZQvqHCDkAWO3hsAo8QkK6V9XXdcgQrkLMt7BDxTmtHBUOMy9bKx+uG MrM5FWccSfxY4+cqHXZLNtKKl1fIEy00qMRLLJF1QMWDksM1f8rJQbkHdhElrWgTvQmp9+QMTj FIJJgz8zf6Y7DR7KT/XUpSmSoDfGaIKJZ3nx3ba5fgzHR37nLgAGWfX+dxjet0ynlg6dEAdjOc NYDzHQNkgLQ/j7oqcmZXKyCuqnw9Jz5a30LIEByuCNl4pcbiJ0Raqr+v8pl5s9P7iar0LddkZQ yhcr2GS+hy0aJS5rlJr7h8vWMGRaZEQp7PwFu6fiHgsIwA==; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Id:Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: Subject:To:From:Date:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References; bh=+EFZ1HgDivgqM8eIYxQTpM5vldfbtFvd8NhMU1Ul/Cs=; b=EQaZnPz3AyMiN6KE5TVieN4Bcp 6ILQgH7nm24QEA0OOA4EaBmH7Gi1n34Q5ArUfpK51AZq7uVMEOklBlZ2GW5nYHB0sOyDaDx4d7+mV JthldffvY11+NkybeyyXRbk/VpOzmP1JaF23Xgrhm8b23FWSJb40qXbBgy5fEz5Gnc9lmUvxWvZ2E Ril3TSdYvA4uN+3V2ANg2IFuQvJxrYp69Y5kyoEdjUTfSzW3aT15DGFD5rAnD36do6Bvkdcxbs3RX /iJR8ewloEiYq/B0C4c8rmIm6lK7jwMr885zvqRxs5+OTRU0k5li4WPERx1RJkMFL294etofgGqme GbXDmrNg==; Received: from authenticated user by zero.zsh.org with local id 1mDWbO-000Ezv-19; Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:35:50 +0000 Authentication-Results: zsh.org; iprev=pass (a.mx.sigpipe.cz) smtp.remote-ip=37.221.242.114; dmarc=none header.from=sigpipe.cz; arc=none Received: from a.mx.sigpipe.cz ([37.221.242.114]:2607) by zero.zsh.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1mDUdH-0006Ci-UC; Tue, 10 Aug 2021 16:29:41 +0000 Received: by a.mx.sigpipe.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 70B0115586667A; Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:29:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:29:38 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: zsh-workers@zsh.org Subject: Re: Better Help Docs Searching? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Validation-by: larryv@zsh.org X-Seq: 49271 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: # stephane@chazelas.org / 2021-08-01 17:33:14 +0100: > 2021-08-01 18:21:14 +0200, Mikael Magnusson: > > info version also probably has them, but I'm not sure if anyone knows > > how to navigate an info document. > Press "h" within "info" to get started with it. > > It's really astonishing that so few people know about it after > so many decades it's been around. there's roughly zero people who were ever unable to figure out how to scroll a man page or how to quit the pager, while info (the software) is hellbent to please people who have no need to leave emacs. i decided to give info a real chance a few weeks ago, zsh man pages are too much for a pager. i spent one friday night writing ~/.infokey to make info palatable to me (ended up with 168 lines). that thing segfaulted five times in as many hours, C-q behavior was "drop dead immediately" *in some contexts* no matter what i had configured, and incremental search forgets the pattern after landing on the first match, rendering C-x C-n (just 'n' for me) useless. info makes it really hard for me to like it. and this is not satire: https://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/texinfo/html_node/Info-Format-FAQ.html -- roman