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Sat, 8 Oct 2022 18:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.72.136] (unknown [136.50.213.220]) by iris.zentaur.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4MlD9Y2lLLz3wZb for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2022 18:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:24:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.3.2 Subject: Re: On the "Words Matter" issue (was Re: The request of words matter updated; quotes deleted) To: zsh-workers@zsh.org References: <6e0e440b-8e26-4a15-8f69-7b393aa6ff13@app.fastmail.com> <1142471274.1562947.1664268254401@mail.virginmedia.com> <9cf82892-e90a-4404-8b56-04b0046b9165@app.fastmail.com> <95fa0bd2-be50-20c9-612a-69a5625270fe@umbrellix.net> <15940bd1-e1d0-4837-2de3-7ced76d49d28@gmx.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Clinton Bunch In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 221008-4, 10/8/2022), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Seq: 50762 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On 10/8/2022 1:09 PM, Eric Cook wrote: > On 10/8/22 1:55 PM, Eric Cook wrote: >> On 10/8/22 4:41 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >>> The problem is that **not a single** black person has claimed to have >>> a problem with the term "master". Have they? >> >>> Has anyone proposing the change brought forward a black person who >>> finds the term personally offensive? >> >> Within the context that master _and_ slave is used, i do. >> >> > These two variables could be named anything, you and zeurkous whining=20 > about it is getting > incredibly annoying; way more so than any argument put forth in how=20 > this would negatively > affect zsh thus far. > > renaming the master branch is user affecting so i would prefer to keep=20 > it, changing listmaster@ > faqmaster@ is user affecting and would require more effort on our part=20 > so i would keep them. > > if i would to push the change i doubt either of you two would notice. > It's not the words themselves, at least for me, but the analogy they=20 evoke.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This is not the only analogy to describe the relations= hip=20 between the two parts of a psuedo-terminal, nor even the best IMHO. The word master by itself does not evoke an analogy to slavery. There is=20 also the analogy to a master of a craft, at least.