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It means there's no "term of art" we can adopt. >> On the other hand, I guess, it means we don't have to worry about >> confusing future programmers, because they'll already be confused. > > My only comment is that if we pick something unique and do the job > properly this time, then any further update to fit in with standards > is a 30 second automatic replacement. So I don't think it's worth > agonising over. > >> In this particular context I'd probably choose something like >> superior/inferior ... neither subsidiary nor worker really fits what >> that half of the PTY pair is doing, IMO. They sound like words chosen >> for a global search-and-replace over a codebase nobody was willing to >> actually read. > > So e.g. zsuperior and zinferior would give us that ability (but you may > well be right superior and inferior are good enough --- replacing > master and slave didn't hit any clashes). > > pws > Indifference to the change in general 1) wasn't aware of the their existence until this thread. which did seem weird, like some automated search happened to find them= . 2) not even zpty's documentation in zshmodules(1) refers to the existing t= erms. 3) as pointed out by Lawrence, the terms aren't even consistency used amon= g operating systems so the feigned confusion of these internal variables already exists. 4) It's not similar to changing the default branch in zsh's vcs repo or changing listmaster@zsh.org, faqmaster@zsh.org in any way. if the chan= ge happens within a week it will be forgotten again, if even noticed. zpty isn't commonly used from what i can tell, i imagine people lookin= g at its source code are even fewer.