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Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:08:02 +0000 (UTC) From: zeurkous@blaatscaahp.org, zeurkous@volny.cz To: "Daniel Shahaf" , zsh-workers@zsh.org Cc: "Xiao Ling XL Chen" , "Kui K Zhang" , "Peter Stephenson" Subject: RE: Re: The request of words matter updated In-Reply-To: <9cf82892-e90a-4404-8b56-04b0046b9165@app.fastmail.com> References: <6e0e440b-8e26-4a15-8f69-7b393aa6ff13@app.fastmail.com> <1142471274.1562947.1664268254401@mail.virginmedia.com> <9cf82892-e90a-4404-8b56-04b0046b9165@app.fastmail.com> User-Agent: 822_dng. X-Validation-by: kb@spambri.de X-Seq: 50690 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Haai, On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 20:54:46 +0000, "Daniel Shahaf" wrote: > -1 on the patch because I don't believe people who disagree with the > change feel comfortable saying so publicly. *nods* So me'll speak up: me's for keeping the current terminology, for the following reasons-- 0) Me certainly hopes that no-one imagines an actual {master,slave} relationship when the words are applied to ptys, hdds, or w/ever. To the degree that they do: they're insufficiently distinguishing technical shorthand from unfortunate tedencies in human history (and, to a degree, sadly not limited to history). 1) The terms are entrenched and replacing them generates confusion, churn in declarations, etc. 2) There are no plausible alternatives as far as me can see. The proposed {owner,subsidiary} -- and similar -- terms again imply a relationship of personal and economic exploitation (just this time covered with a mildly fuzzy blanket). The politically correct interface terms, {primary,secondary}, imply that the limit of the sequence is not 1, which is IMO not helpful here either. If anything, me'd opt for {dom,sub}, but apart from it probably being just as little politically acceptable, that creates confusion with existing technical terms (although such confusion is always, to a degree, unavoidable). 3) We have better ways to spend our time. Me probably wouldn't have responded if me hadn't just come out of the shower ;) HTH, --zeurkous. P.S., OT: Me's been trying to migrate me list membership to me new addy, . The confirmation message never arrived and me attempt to contact the maintainer resulted in silence. Can the maintainer please privately contact me to sort this out? TIA :) -- Friggin' Machines!