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X-Validation-by: kb@spambri.de X-Seq: 50719 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Haai, On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:25:13 +0100 (BST), Peter Stephenson wrote: >> Once that's established, perhaps someone could arrange for an online vote >> at one of the websites that do that? Given no technical change results >> from any of this, opinion is all we've got, and there's evidently no >> sign of a consensus. > > This appears to be where we're going. I'll do some research on this, but > if anyone has pointers to a good place for an anonymous vote, let me know. Anonymous voting? Over the Interwebz? That'd be a great idea! :) > Thanks for the various cogent analyses of the points on both sides. > Beyond that, I don't think anyone has been called a Nazi yet, but there's > still time. (SCNR) You're no better than Hitler! There, rectified that. > I think the ultimate reason this is contentious is it's something of a > curveball (googly in my terminology; nothing to do with Mountain View, > if anything still falls in that category) --- it brings in a whole > heap of things not usually expected on a technical list, so all of us > in turn bring in a whole heap of our own non-technical ideas. At > least, that's about the only way to rationalise an involved discussion > on two words in a file that (as has been pointed out) most people will > never actually read. Precedent. It has the potential to set a precedent that may lead to far greater upheaval in the future. Me's still pondering Bart's words (they tend to deserve that kind of time). --zeurkous. -- Friggin' Machines!