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X-Seq: 50749 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: [Fixed 'From:' address... sigh.] On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 03:41:20 -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:34 PM Bart Schaefer > wrote: >> >> Thoughts and questions. >> >[snip] > > All good points and questions, but I have to point out a fact of our > cultural zeitgeist. > > Today a person saying the n-word with certain skin pigmentation would > be labelled a racist, whereas a person with a different skin > pigmentation would have no problem. A person opining about abortion > who happens to be male would be told to shut up, whereas a female > never would. A woman wearing inappropriate clothes would be > criticized, but not a trans woman. My point is that in today's society > superficial features of your identity do matter: the color of your > skin, your sexual orientation, genitals, etc. Indeed, it seems that with the request that has been made of us, identity politics have arrived here. Can we just put a dead stop to that now, all of us, *please*? --zeurkous. -- Friggin' Machines!