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X-Seq: 50769 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 12:58:02 -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: > On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 10:55 AM Eric Cook wrote: >> >> Within the context that master _and_ slave is used, i do. > > This is the point (which I tried to make in my "thoughts" message): > The term of offense is not "master" by itself, but that's the word > that all arguments against making a change have latched onto. Not me. To me, it's about both words, together. > A > secondary point is that its hypocritical to claim both that this > should be an apolitical technical decision and also to assert that > it's only a valid issue if certain recognizable segments of the user > base are those expressing an opinion. Apparently me hasn't been clear: to me, it *is* an apolitical technical decision; yet, me can perfectly live w/ the fact that other people feel differently, and me's been trying to accomodate them, /even as me does not agree/. No hypocrisy there. Just civility. > There is no use of "slave" I can find that does not imply being > unwillingly bound or restricted. Playacting at same does not > constitute an exception. Me's not into BDSM, but me's pretty sure not all of it is "playacting" as such. Perhaps me's splitting hairs... > That a particular use does not refer to > human trafficking does not remove the implication or the analogy. You're right. > Changing unrelated uses of "master" is not even up for debate here. A neutral observation: one change like this tends to lead to others in different places. Thus they may very well being up for debate (or worse: silently taken for granted, just because an earlier change, in the same vein, was accepted). A non-neutral observation: me's concerned about that. > However, what should be considered is the ten or so other and more > visible (because they're in shell scripts) uses of "slave". As far as > I'm concerned, that's the only reason this discussion hasn't already > been called by fiat (as in, by PWS pushing the patch he's already > proposed, or something very much like it). If anyone pushes the change: me'll consider the matter closed. Me disagreement is not worth this churn. --zeurkous. -- Friggin' Machines!