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From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: simh@groups.io
Cc: Computer Old Farts Followers <coff@tuhs.org>,
	"nw.johnson@ieee.org" <nw.johnson@ieee.org>
Subject: [COFF] Re: [simh] Old VAX/VMS Tapes
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 14:29:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC20D2M=W+iwS7yFQQPESB7Ag6iJNe6fso31RS3-pG=ju78wUg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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Small PS below...

On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 9:27 PM Clement T Cole via groups.io <clemc=
ccc.com@groups.io> wrote:

>
> I did not say that or imply it.   But variable vs. fixed blocking has
> implications on both mechanical requirements and ends up being reflected in
> how the sw handles it.  Traditional 9-track allows you to mix record sizes
> on each tape.  Streamer formats don’t traditionally allow that because they
> restrict / remove inter record gaps in the same manner 9-track supports.
> This increases capacity of the tape (less waste).
>

In my explanation, I may have been a tad confusing.   When I say fixed
records -- I mean on-tape fixed records, what the QIC-24/120/150 standard
refers to as: "*A group of consecutive bits comprising of a preamble, data
block marker, a single data block, block address and CRC and postamble*"
[the standard previous defines a data black os 512 consecutive bytes] --*
i.e*., if you put an o'scope on the tape head and looked at the bit
stream (see page 16 of QIC-120 Rev F -  Section 5 "Recorded Block" for a
picture of this format -- note is can only address 2^20 blocks per track,
but it supports addressing to 256 tracks -- with 15 tracks of QIC-120 that
means 15728640 unique 512-byte blocks).

STOP/STOP does something similar but encodes the LRECL used [I don't have
the ANSI tape standard handy - but I remember seeing a wonderful picture of
all this from said documents when I first was educated about tapes in my
old IBM days ~50 years ago].   After each record, STOP/STOP needs an
"Inter-Record-Gap" (IRC) to allow for the motor's spin-up/spin-down time
before continuing the bit stream of the next data block.  The IRC distance
is something like 5-10 mm [which is a great deal compared to the size of a
bit when using GCR encoding (which is what 6250 BPI and QIC both use).
These gaps take space (capacity) from the tape, so people tend to write
with larger blocking factors [UNIX traditionally uses 10240 bytes- other
systems use other values - as I said, I believe the standard says the max
is 64K bytes).

Since streamers (like QIC tape) are supposed to be continuous, the QIC
inter-records gaps resemble fixed disk records and can be extremely small.
Remember, each bit is measured in micrometers -- about *2 micrometers*,
IIRC for QIC and around 10 for ½" formats -- again, and I would need to
check the ANSI spec, which is not handy.  But this is a huge space savings
even with a smallish block (512) -- again - this was lifted from disk
technology of the day which had often standardized on 512 8-bit byte blocks
by then.

BTW: this is again why I suspect a TK25 tape is not going to be able to
read on QIC-24/120/150 drive if, indeed, page 1-5 of the TK25 user manual
says it supports four different block sizes [1K/2K/4K/8K].   First, the
data block format would have to be variable to 4 sizes, and second, the
preamble would need to encode and write what size block to expect on
read. Unfortunately, that document does not say much more about the
physical tape format other than it can use cartridges  "similar to ANSI
Standard X3.55-1982" (which is a 3M DC-600A tape cartridge), has "11
tracks, 8000 bpi" recording density (/w 10000 flux reversals per in), using
a "single track NRZI dat in a serpentine pattern, with 4-5 run length
limited code similar to GCR."

That said, most modern SW will allow you to *write* different size record
sizes (LRECL) in the user software, but the QIC drives and I believe things
like DAT and Exabyte will only write 512-byte blocks, so somewhere between
your user program and tape itself, the write will be broken into N 512 byte
blocks and then pad (with null is typical) the last block to 512 bytes.
 My memory is the QIC standard is silent on where that is done, but I
suspect it's done in the controller and the driver is forced to send it
512-byte blocks.

So, while you may define blocks of different sizes, unlike ½", it will
always be written as 512-byte blocks.

That said, using larger record sizes in your application SW can have huge
performance wins (which I mentioned in my first message) - *e.g.*,  keeping
the drive streaming as more user data has been locked down in memory for a
DMA. But by the time the driver and the controller are finished, it's fixed
512-byte blocks on the tape.


One other thing is WRT to QIC, which differs from other schemes.  I
previously mentioned tape files - a feature of the ½" physical tape formats
not typically supported for QIC tapes.  QIC has an interesting feature that
allows a block to be rewritten and replaced later on the tape (see the
section of spec/you user manual WRT for "rewritten" or "replacement
"blocks).    I've forgotten all the details, but I seem to remember that
features were why multiple tape files were difficult to implement.
 Someone who knows more about tapes may remember the details/be able to
explain -- I remember dealing with tape files was a PITA in QIC, and the
logic in a standard ½" tape driver could not be just cloned for the QIC
driver.
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2023-12-31  2:27         ` Clem Cole
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2023-12-31 19:29           ` Clem Cole [this message]
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2023-12-31 21:38             ` Clem Cole

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