[COFF] Re: [simh] Old VAX/VMS Tapes

[Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>]

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Dyslexia sucks... sorry, if it was not obvious, please globally substitute
  s:STOP/STOP:START/STOP:
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On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 2:30 PM Clement T Cole via groups.io <clemc=
ccc.com@groups.io> wrote:

> Small PS below...
>
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 9:27 PM Clement T Cole via groups.io <clemc=
> ccc.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
>>
>> I did not say that or imply it.   But variable vs. fixed blocking has
>> implications on both mechanical requirements and ends up being reflected in
>> how the sw handles it.  Traditional 9-track allows you to mix record sizes
>> on each tape.  Streamer formats don’t traditionally allow that because they
>> restrict / remove inter record gaps in the same manner 9-track supports.
>> This increases capacity of the tape (less waste).
>>
>
> In my explanation, I may have been a tad confusing.   When I say fixed
> records -- I mean on-tape fixed records, what the QIC-24/120/150 standard
> refers to as: "*A group of consecutive bits comprising of a preamble,
> data block marker, a single data block, block address and CRC and postamble*"
> [the standard previous defines a data black os 512 consecutive bytes] --*
> i.e*., if you put an o'scope on the tape head and looked at the bit
> stream (see page 16 of QIC-120 Rev F -  Section 5 "Recorded Block" for a
> picture of this format -- note is can only address 2^20 blocks per track,
> but it supports addressing to 256 tracks -- with 15 tracks of QIC-120 that
> means 15728640 unique 512-byte blocks).
>
> STOP/STOP does something similar but encodes the LRECL used [I don't have
> the ANSI tape standard handy - but I remember seeing a wonderful picture of
> all this from said documents when I first was educated about tapes in my
> old IBM days ~50 years ago].   After each record, STOP/STOP needs an
> "Inter-Record-Gap" (IRC) to allow for the motor's spin-up/spin-down time
> before continuing the bit stream of the next data block.  The IRC distance
> is something like 5-10 mm [which is a great deal compared to the size of a
> bit when using GCR encoding (which is what 6250 BPI and QIC both use).
> These gaps take space (capacity) from the tape, so people tend to write
> with larger blocking factors [UNIX traditionally uses 10240 bytes- other
> systems use other values - as I said, I believe the standard says the max
> is 64K bytes).
>
> Since streamers (like QIC tape) are supposed to be continuous, the QIC
> inter-records gaps resemble fixed disk records and can be extremely small.
> Remember, each bit is measured in micrometers -- about *2 micrometers*,
> IIRC for QIC and around 10 for ½" formats -- again, and I would need to
> check the ANSI spec, which is not handy.  But this is a huge space savings
> even with a smallish block (512) -- again - this was lifted from disk
> technology of the day which had often standardized on 512 8-bit byte blocks
> by then.
>
> BTW: this is again why I suspect a TK25 tape is not going to be able to
> read on QIC-24/120/150 drive if, indeed, page 1-5 of the TK25 user manual
> says it supports four different block sizes [1K/2K/4K/8K].   First, the
> data block format would have to be variable to 4 sizes, and second, the
> preamble would need to encode and write what size block to expect on
> read. Unfortunately, that document does not say much more about the
> physical tape format other than it can use cartridges  "similar to ANSI
> Standard X3.55-1982" (which is a 3M DC-600A tape cartridge), has "11
> tracks, 8000 bpi" recording density (/w 10000 flux reversals per in), using
> a "single track NRZI dat in a serpentine pattern, with 4-5 run length
> limited code similar to GCR."
>
> That said, most modern SW will allow you to *write* different size record
> sizes (LRECL) in the user software, but the QIC drives and I believe things
> like DAT and Exabyte will only write 512-byte blocks, so somewhere between
> your user program and tape itself, the write will be broken into N 512 byte
> blocks and then pad (with null is typical) the last block to 512 bytes.
>  My memory is the QIC standard is silent on where that is done, but I
> suspect it's done in the controller and the driver is forced to send it
> 512-byte blocks.
>
> So, while you may define blocks of different sizes, unlike ½", it will
> always be written as 512-byte blocks.
>
> That said, using larger record sizes in your application SW can have huge
> performance wins (which I mentioned in my first message) - *e.g.*,
> keeping the drive streaming as more user data has been locked down in
> memory for a DMA. But by the time the driver and the controller are
> finished, it's fixed 512-byte blocks on the tape.
>
>
> One other thing is WRT to QIC, which differs from other schemes.  I
> previously mentioned tape files - a feature of the ½" physical tape formats
> not typically supported for QIC tapes.  QIC has an interesting feature that
> allows a block to be rewritten and replaced later on the tape (see the
> section of spec/you user manual WRT for "rewritten" or "replacement
> "blocks).    I've forgotten all the details, but I seem to remember that
> features were why multiple tape files were difficult to implement.
>  Someone who knows more about tapes may remember the details/be able to
> explain -- I remember dealing with tape files was a PITA in QIC, and the
> logic in a standard ½" tape driver could not be just cloned for the QIC
> driver.
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