From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Gnus sometimes reports new messages but not showing them on IMAP server
Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 08:08:17 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878r0s6yla.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wmocrcin.fsf@debian-hx90.lan>
Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com> writes:
> Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>
>>> Greg Troxel <gdt@lexort.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Arash Esbati <arash@gnu.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>> I've focused on figuring out why the active number goes wrong, but in
>>>>>> the interest of pragmatism it might be better just to make sure that
>>>>>> nnimap always does the equivalent of "M-g" at Gnus startup.
>>>>>
>>>>> That might be a good compromise.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. It seems obvious (said knowing that's dangerous) that on
>>>> starting up the program, it's best not to rely on state that could be
>>>> wrong. That's tricky, because mail programs keep messages and don't
>>>> refetch them, but relying on counts of unread seems very trouble prone,
>>>> vs "I have this message body and the timestamp matches so I won't fetch
>>>> it."
>>>>
>>>> I think it would also be good to separate
>>>>
>>>> check for new
>>>>
>>>> get all the messages that are there
>>>>
>>>> really rescan and don't believe state
>>>>
>>>> in terms of being much louder about the differences. I have the
>>>> impression that the assembled gnususers here are at least somewhat hazy
>>>> on those boundaries. At least I am.
>>>
>>> I think this is an artifact of Gnus starting out as a newsreader, and
>>> adding email capability later. In a NNTP context, the read/unread
>>> message count is entirely private to your local machine, and something
>>> you can manipulate at will. In an IMAP context, it's very much a part of
>>> multi-machine state. Gnus should always defer to the remote server,
>>> particularly at start up. I do wish I knew where the bug was coming
>>> from, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This makes much sense. I'll try M-g the next time this happens. Thanks
>> everyone!
>>
>> Also I would expect the equivalent of M-g to happen on startup so that
>> there are less surprises.
>
> So the issue Greg described just happened again that an empty
> folder/topic "Trash" from one of my outlook accounts just shown 38
> unread messages and selecting it fails with "Can't select group", while
> other clients like Thunderbird shows 0 in it. I have tried "M-g" and it
> doesn't help unfortunately :(
>
> Any more ideas for debugging?
Maybe move a message into the folder, then move it back out? I'll try to
get to debugging this area of Gnus in the next few weeks...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-02 15:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-04-12 0:57 Xiyue Deng
2024-04-17 0:03 ` Greg Troxel
2024-04-17 6:47 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-04-17 19:51 ` Dan Christensen
2024-04-18 12:13 ` Greg Troxel
2024-04-19 22:55 ` Dan Christensen
2024-04-21 12:08 ` Arash Esbati
2024-04-21 12:43 ` Dan Christensen
2024-04-21 13:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2024-04-21 16:18 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-04-21 18:16 ` Arash Esbati
2024-04-22 0:00 ` Greg Troxel
2024-04-22 2:35 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-04-27 19:46 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-02 5:47 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-02 15:08 ` Eric Abrahamsen [this message]
2024-05-02 17:24 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-02 17:41 ` Dan Christensen
2024-05-02 18:41 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-05 20:18 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-05 21:01 ` Dan Christensen
2024-05-05 22:10 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-08 18:36 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-08 18:41 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-09 23:11 ` Andrew Cohen
2024-05-10 7:45 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-10 8:16 ` Andrew Cohen
2024-05-10 8:26 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-10 9:13 ` Andreas Schwab
2024-05-10 0:43 ` Greg Troxel
2024-05-10 1:20 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-10 12:24 ` Greg Troxel
2024-05-10 20:06 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-11 19:08 ` Greg Troxel
2024-05-11 22:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-05-12 11:14 ` Gnus sometimes fails to see a message that is actually in IMAP Greg Troxel
2024-05-13 14:39 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-04-24 15:23 ` Gnus sometimes reports new messages but not showing them on IMAP server James Thomas
2024-04-25 2:59 ` Eric Abrahamsen
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