From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Gnus sometimes reports new messages but not showing them on IMAP server
Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 10:24:59 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87msp8qg7o.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878r0s6yla.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net>
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
> Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> Greg Troxel <gdt@lexort.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Arash Esbati <arash@gnu.org> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've focused on figuring out why the active number goes wrong, but in
>>>>>>> the interest of pragmatism it might be better just to make sure that
>>>>>>> nnimap always does the equivalent of "M-g" at Gnus startup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That might be a good compromise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. It seems obvious (said knowing that's dangerous) that on
>>>>> starting up the program, it's best not to rely on state that could be
>>>>> wrong. That's tricky, because mail programs keep messages and don't
>>>>> refetch them, but relying on counts of unread seems very trouble prone,
>>>>> vs "I have this message body and the timestamp matches so I won't fetch
>>>>> it."
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would also be good to separate
>>>>>
>>>>> check for new
>>>>>
>>>>> get all the messages that are there
>>>>>
>>>>> really rescan and don't believe state
>>>>>
>>>>> in terms of being much louder about the differences. I have the
>>>>> impression that the assembled gnususers here are at least somewhat hazy
>>>>> on those boundaries. At least I am.
>>>>
>>>> I think this is an artifact of Gnus starting out as a newsreader, and
>>>> adding email capability later. In a NNTP context, the read/unread
>>>> message count is entirely private to your local machine, and something
>>>> you can manipulate at will. In an IMAP context, it's very much a part of
>>>> multi-machine state. Gnus should always defer to the remote server,
>>>> particularly at start up. I do wish I knew where the bug was coming
>>>> from, though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> This makes much sense. I'll try M-g the next time this happens. Thanks
>>> everyone!
>>>
>>> Also I would expect the equivalent of M-g to happen on startup so that
>>> there are less surprises.
>>
>> So the issue Greg described just happened again that an empty
>> folder/topic "Trash" from one of my outlook accounts just shown 38
>> unread messages and selecting it fails with "Can't select group", while
>> other clients like Thunderbird shows 0 in it. I have tried "M-g" and it
>> doesn't help unfortunately :(
>>
>> Any more ideas for debugging?
>
> Maybe move a message into the folder, then move it back out?
Ah I was aware of this workaround. Just wonder whether there is
metadata/debug info that I can try to get to help the developer such as
you to debug this?
> I'll try to get to debugging this area of Gnus in the next few
> weeks...
Really appreciate this! Meanwhile probably I should try to submit a bug
for tracking. Is there a Gnus specific bug tracker or I should just use
report-emacs-bug?
>
>
>
--
Xiyue Deng
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-02 17:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-04-12 0:57 Xiyue Deng
2024-04-17 0:03 ` Greg Troxel
2024-04-17 6:47 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-04-17 19:51 ` Dan Christensen
2024-04-18 12:13 ` Greg Troxel
2024-04-19 22:55 ` Dan Christensen
2024-04-21 12:08 ` Arash Esbati
2024-04-21 12:43 ` Dan Christensen
2024-04-21 13:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2024-04-21 16:18 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-04-21 18:16 ` Arash Esbati
2024-04-22 0:00 ` Greg Troxel
2024-04-22 2:35 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-04-27 19:46 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-02 5:47 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-02 15:08 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-05-02 17:24 ` Xiyue Deng [this message]
2024-05-02 17:41 ` Dan Christensen
2024-05-02 18:41 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-05 20:18 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-05 21:01 ` Dan Christensen
2024-05-05 22:10 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-08 18:36 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-08 18:41 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-09 23:11 ` Andrew Cohen
2024-05-10 7:45 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-10 8:16 ` Andrew Cohen
2024-05-10 8:26 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-10 9:13 ` Andreas Schwab
2024-05-10 0:43 ` Greg Troxel
2024-05-10 1:20 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-10 12:24 ` Greg Troxel
2024-05-10 20:06 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-11 19:08 ` Greg Troxel
2024-05-11 22:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-05-12 11:14 ` Gnus sometimes fails to see a message that is actually in IMAP Greg Troxel
2024-05-13 14:39 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-04-24 15:23 ` Gnus sometimes reports new messages but not showing them on IMAP server James Thomas
2024-04-25 2:59 ` Eric Abrahamsen
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