[TUHS] .globl directive -- is this a 35-bit constant?

[TUHS] .globl directive -- is this a 35-bit constant?

[ron minnich]

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ACPI has 4-byte identifiers (guess why!), but I just wondered, writing some
assembly:
is it globl, not global, or glbl, because globl would be a one-word
constant on the PDP-10 (5 7-bit bytes)?

Not entirely off track, netbsd at some point (still does?) ran on the
PDP-10.

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[TUHS] Re: .globl directive -- is this a 35-bit constant?

[Tom Lyon]

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But they had RADIX 50, which would've allowed global.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_RADIX_50

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 12:44 PM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> ACPI has 4-byte identifiers (guess why!), but I just wondered, writing
> some assembly:
> is it globl, not global, or glbl, because globl would be a one-word
> constant on the PDP-10 (5 7-bit bytes)?
>
> Not entirely off track, netbsd at some point (still does?) ran on the
> PDP-10.
>

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[TUHS] Re: .globl directive -- is this a 35-bit constant?

[ron minnich]

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yeah I know, but my vague memory is that the 7-bit bytes started to be
preferred. But yeah, it's probably a co-inky-dink, as the three stooges
would say.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 12:48 PM Tom Lyon <pugs78@gmail.com> wrote:

> But they had RADIX 50, which would've allowed global.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_RADIX_50
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 12:44 PM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ACPI has 4-byte identifiers (guess why!), but I just wondered, writing
>> some assembly:
>> is it globl, not global, or glbl, because globl would be a one-word
>> constant on the PDP-10 (5 7-bit bytes)?
>>
>> Not entirely off track, netbsd at some point (still does?) ran on the
>> PDP-10.
>>
>

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[TUHS] Re: .globl directive -- is this a 35-bit constant?

[Henry Bent]

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On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 at 15:44, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
Not entirely off track, netbsd at some point (still does?) ran on the
PDP-10.

Did it actually get all the way to booting?  I remember the effort but I
believe that its abandonment reflected the difficulty of working with a 36
bit word in a modern operating system environment.

-Henry

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[TUHS] Re: .globl directive -- is this a 35-bit constant?

[segaloco via TUHS]

On Thursday, March 28th, 2024 at 12:44 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> ACPI has 4-byte identifiers (guess why!), but I just wondered, writing some assembly:is it globl, not global, or glbl, because globl would be a one-word constant on the PDP-10 (5 7-bit bytes)?
> 
> Not entirely off track, netbsd at some point (still does?) ran on the PDP-10.

Note any page references below are in reference to the linked PDF, not the original document page numbers.

Many facts folks here know better than I, but being through for completeness, as(I) derives syntactically from PAL-11R.  Section 8.2 of the May 1971 PAL-11R manual[1] describes the .GLOBL directive (p. 35).  Looking forward just a bit, .GLOBL survives into MACRO-11 in June 1972[2], described in section 6.10 (p. 89).

Looking then over the fence to MACRO-10 as of June 1972[3], I couldn't find a reference to a .GLOBL or comparably named pseudo-op, with the table being found in Appendix A(pp. 111-112).  There are plenty of pseudo-ops ranging in name lengths from two (e.g. IF) to nine (e.g. UNIVERSAL) characters, it doesn't seem there was any strong preference in character length for psuedo-ops in MACRO-10.

I found some references to a "PAL-10" online but could not locate a manual, but the references I did see indicated this may be referring to a cross-assembler for PDP-8.  Taking one more look back to the MACRO-9 assembler for PDP-9, circa November 1968[4], this assembler does have a .GLOBL pseudo-op defined in section 3.9 (pp. 38-39).  It seems .GLOBL skipped PDP-10.  I'm sure further analysis could pinpoint the earliest PDP assembler to utilize ".GLOBL" but from the looks of things it never touched the PDP-10, at least in the native assembler.

- Matt G.

P.S. As an aside, I use the cc65 toolkit for 6502 projects I tinker on, it's in some ways modeled after the UNIX cc/as/ld environment but exhibits enough differences that I sometimes wonder what they were thinking.  I don't mean too much criticism, it's a free tool I get to use all I want, and I'm grateful for that, but a relevant instance here is that there is no .globl.  Rather the pseudo-op is ".export", and there are several things like that where it could've been nice and even with how the standard UNIX commands and syntax work, but missed the mark by just that much.  I fear given that cc65 has been around for a while, any attempts I'd make to wrangle the syntax and CLI options to be closer to UNIX would be unwelcome as so much code is already extant with the differences.  On the flip side, if I produce my own fork and write my code against that fork, nobody else will be able to use my code without it :(

[1] - http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/dos-batch/DEC-11-ASDB-D_PAL-11R_Assembler_Programmers_Manual_May71.pdf
[2] - http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/dos-batch/DEC-11-OMACA-A-D_DOS_MACRO-11_Assembler_Programmers_Manual_Jun72.pdf
[3] - http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS10/1973_Assembly_Language_Handbook/02_1973AsmRef_macro.pdf
[4] - http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp9/DEC-9A-AMZA-D_MACRO9.pdf