From: Tom Lyon <pugs78@gmail.com>
To: segaloco <segaloco@protonmail.com>
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: History of non-Bell C compilers?
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 18:12:23 -0800 [thread overview]
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Thanks, I had not seen that.
More info about UNIX on UNIVAC than I'd seen before. Who did the C compiler
for that?
On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 5:49 PM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
> Tom you mentioned non-Bell compilers, but also x86, so I can't resist
> pointing out: https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/otherports/newp.pdf
>
> Among the handful of systems experimented with in these Bell Labs UNIX
> porting experiences is the 8086 which was being used for some sort of
> internal project at the time. I'm not aware of any artifacts (UNIX nor C)
> from that port, nor if any 32-bit and beyond x86 compiler technology out
> there derives from any of these efforts, but worth mentioning in the
> history of C touching Intel platforms. I do seem to recall some discussion
> here a while back that implied that the SGS suite may have had its genesis
> in some of these efforts. The internal Bell Labs version of Release 5.0
> has SGS compilers for several BellMAC targets that I think descend from
> some of this work. I'd have to go looking for proof though so consider
> that anecdotal for now.
>
> - Matt G.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 7th, 2024 at 4:54 PM, Heinz Lycklama heinz@osta.com
> wrote:
>
> Marc is correct. All of ISC C compilers were based
> on Bell Labs C compilers, starting with a C compiler
> for the DEC VAX machine in 1978.
>
> Heinz
>
> On 3/7/2024 4:30 PM, Marc Rochkind wrote:
>
> Larry & Dave, thanks for jogging my memory. I'm pretty sure it was BDS C
> on that z80 Zenith computer. (See my longer post above.)
> I should add that around 1984 I got a copy of PC/IX for the IBM XT,
> directly from Interactive Systems in Santa Monica, where I knew a few
> people. That was true UNIX, System III, I think, and I used it for all of
> the examples for my book "Advanced UNIX Programming," which came out in
> 1985. It, of course, had a real Bell Labs C compiler.
>
> Marc
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 5:15 PM Charles H Sauer (he/him)
> sauer@technologists.com wrote:
>
> On 3/7/2024 5:52 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 4:24 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com
> mailto:imp@bsdimp.com <imp@bsdimp.com>> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2024, 4:14 PM Tom Lyon <pugs78@gmail.com
> mailto:pugs78@gmail.com <pugs78@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> For no good reason, I've been wondering about the early history
> of C compilers that were not derived from Ritchie, Johnson, and
> Snyder at Bell. Especially for x86. Anyone have tales?
> Were any of those compilers ever used to port UNIX?
>
> MIT had several that were used for ka9q and at least the Venix x86
> port. They supported the popular micros of the time. Various
> versions of them survive to the present day.
>
> It's at bitsavers:
>
> https://bitsavers.org/bits/MIT/pc-ip/8086_C_19850820.tar
> https://bitsavers.org/bits/MIT/pc-ip/8086_C_19850820.tar
> and
> https://bitsavers.org/bits/MIT/trix/MIT_Compiler_Tape/
> https://bitsavers.org/bits/MIT/trix/MIT_Compiler_Tape/
>
> are pointers to compilers from the early 80s. Obviously not ANSI-C
> compilers :)
>
> Warner
>
> See, also,
> https://www.program-transformation.org/Transform/CCompilerHistory.html &
> http://www.desmet-c.com/.
>
> When I only had PC/IX on an XT at my office and a PCjr at home, I mostly
> worked with C at home with DeSmet. I still have a couple of 5.25" 360K
> diskettes labeled C-Ware, which I think are DeSmet 2.4.
>
> Charlie
>
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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-07 23:14 [TUHS] " Tom Lyon
2024-03-07 23:24 ` [TUHS] " Warner Losh
2024-03-07 23:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2024-03-07 23:49 ` Larry McVoy
2024-03-07 23:56 ` Luther Johnson
2024-03-08 14:03 ` John Foust via TUHS
2024-03-07 23:59 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-03-08 0:08 ` Rich Salz
2024-03-08 0:30 ` Warner Losh
2024-03-08 0:57 ` Rob Pike
2024-03-08 1:08 ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-03-08 1:10 ` Rob Pike
2024-03-08 1:12 ` Rob Pike
2024-03-08 1:22 ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-03-08 9:33 ` arnold
2024-03-08 9:45 ` Wesley Parish
2024-03-08 13:06 ` Luther Johnson
2024-03-08 18:33 ` William H. Mitchell
2024-03-10 3:14 ` Adam Thornton
2024-03-11 22:21 ` Phil Budne
2024-03-07 23:52 ` Warner Losh
2024-03-08 0:15 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-03-08 0:30 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-03-08 0:54 ` Heinz Lycklama
2024-03-08 1:48 ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-03-08 2:12 ` Tom Lyon [this message]
2024-03-08 2:13 ` Lawrence Stewart
2024-03-08 3:15 ` Jonathan Gray
2024-03-07 23:24 ` Luther Johnson
2024-03-07 23:27 ` Luther Johnson
2024-03-07 23:44 ` Tom Lyon
2024-03-08 0:24 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-03-08 1:27 ` Jeffry R. Abramson
2024-03-10 2:13 ` Greg A. Woods
2024-03-08 2:26 ` Will Senn
2024-03-08 3:03 ` Peter Yardley
2024-03-08 3:28 ` George Michaelson
2024-03-08 3:58 ` Luther Johnson
2024-03-08 5:53 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2024-03-08 13:42 ` Henry Bent
2024-03-08 14:00 ` arnold
2024-03-08 14:16 ` Warner Losh
2024-03-08 15:44 ` Paul Winalski
2024-03-08 17:18 ` Adam Thornton
2024-03-10 2:31 ` Damian Wildie
2024-03-11 17:12 Paul Ruizendaal
2024-03-11 20:44 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-03-11 22:28 ` Peter Yardley
2024-03-12 0:30 ` ron minnich
2024-03-12 13:31 ` Larry Stewart
2024-03-12 16:41 ` Paul Winalski
2024-03-12 14:55 ` Henry Bent
2024-03-12 17:17 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-03-13 14:37 ` Clem Cole
2024-03-13 15:28 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-03-13 15:33 ` Warner Losh
2024-03-13 15:53 ` Clem Cole
2024-03-12 15:42 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2024-03-12 23:08 Steve Simon
[not found] <aee297f1-2f6a-4620-87f7-f1672ae03b61@osta.com>
2024-03-15 3:34 ` Heinz Lycklama
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