[TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

[TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

[Douglas McIlroy]

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Where did chunix (which contains chaos.c) and several other branches of the
v8 /usr/sys tree on TUHS come from? This stuff does not appear in the v8
manual. I don't recall a Lisp machine anywhere near the Unix room, nor any
collaborations that involved a Lisp machine.

Doug

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[TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

[Rob Pike]

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I agree. The closest I can get is a Symbolics poster near Rae showcasing
the virtues of EMACS "with over 400 easy to use commands".

-rob


On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 1:12 AM Douglas McIlroy <
douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> Where did chunix (which contains chaos.c) and several other branches of
> the v8 /usr/sys tree on TUHS come from? This stuff does not appear in the
> v8 manual. I don't recall a Lisp machine anywhere near the Unix room, nor
> any collaborations that involved a Lisp machine.
>
> Doug
>
>
>

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[TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

[Dave Horsfall]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, Rob Pike wrote:

> I agree. The closest I can get is a Symbolics poster near Rae showcasing 
> the virtues of EMACS "with over 400 easy to use commands".

I'd love to see that...

-- Dave

[TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

[Skip Tavakkolian]

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Me too! The closest I can find (via Google) is this:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fkx0vxqcztmd41.png


On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 2:46 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, Rob Pike wrote:
>
> > I agree. The closest I can get is a Symbolics poster near Rae showcasing
> > the virtues of EMACS "with over 400 easy to use commands".
>
> I'd love to see that...
>
> -- Dave
>

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[TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

[Sergio Pedraja]

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I think the text in this image is very close to the one you mentioned.

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F337bdabf-59f1-4ec9-8848-2f2bf3222dd0_756x1000.jpeg

Sergio Pedraja


El lun, 15 abr 2024, 18:23, Skip Tavakkolian <fariborz.t@gmail.com>
escribió:

> Me too! The closest I can find (via Google) is this:
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fkx0vxqcztmd41.png
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 2:46 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, Rob Pike wrote:
>>
>> > I agree. The closest I can get is a Symbolics poster near Rae
>> showcasing
>> > the virtues of EMACS "with over 400 easy to use commands".
>>
>> I'd love to see that...
>>
>> -- Dave
>>
>

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[TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

[Marcus Clark]

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Is that a copy of the C Puzzle Book on the table behind Alan Feuer?

________________________________
From: Sergio Pedraja <spedraja@gmail.com>
Sent: 15 April 2024 18:25
To: Skip Tavakkolian <fariborz.t@gmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

I think the text in this image is very close to the one you mentioned.

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F337bdabf-59f1-4ec9-8848-2f2bf3222dd0_756x1000.jpeg

Sergio Pedraja


El lun, 15 abr 2024, 18:23, Skip Tavakkolian <fariborz.t@gmail.com<mailto:fariborz.t@gmail.com>> escribió:
Me too! The closest I can find (via Google) is this:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fkx0vxqcztmd41.png


On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 2:46 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org<mailto:dave@horsfall.org>> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, Rob Pike wrote:

> I agree. The closest I can get is a Symbolics poster near Rae showcasing
> the virtues of EMACS "with over 400 easy to use commands".

I'd love to see that...

-- Dave

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[TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

[segaloco via TUHS]

On Wednesday, April 10th, 2024 at 9:46 AM, arnold@skeeve.com <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:

> John Floren via TUHS tuhs@tuhs.org wrote:
> 
> > I've been doing some research on Lisp machines and came across an
> > interesting tidbit: there was Chaosnet support in Unix v8, e.g.
> > https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V8/usr/sys/chunix/chaos.c
> > 
> > Does anyone remember why that went in? My first guess would be for
> > interoperability with the Symbolics users at Bell Labs (see Bromley's
> > "Lisp Lore", 1986), but that's just speculation.
> > 
> > john
> 
> 
> Didn't BSD have Chaosnet support? It wouldn't suprise me to learn that
> it was just left over from when Research imported 4.1 BSD.
> 
> Arnold

Dan Cross's note on the providence of these files:

> The following files were found on Mountain Avenue.  I understood
> that they all came from the final Bell Labs Plan 9 file server

So allegedly straight from Murray Hill.

If it helps trace this, many of the Chaos-related files contain copyrights regarding Nirvonics, Inc. and with authorship attributed to Kurt Gollhardt.

These copyright notices are in extant V8 and V10 sources on the archive (and some backed up headers in some of the V9 artifacts.)

I can't find a whole lot on Nirvonics otherwise, but looks like Kurt was also involved in another UNIX-based experiment regarding "Headturn" studying language capabilities in infants: https://open.library.ubc.ca/media/stream/pdf/831/1.0051436/1 

- Matt G.

[TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

[arnold]

John Floren via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:

> I've been doing some research on Lisp machines and came across an
> interesting tidbit: there was Chaosnet support in Unix v8, e.g.
> https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V8/usr/sys/chunix/chaos.c
>
> Does anyone remember why that went in? My first guess would be for
> interoperability with the Symbolics users at Bell Labs (see Bromley's
> "Lisp Lore", 1986), but that's just speculation.
>
> john

Didn't BSD have Chaosnet support? It wouldn't suprise me to learn that
it was just left over from when Research imported 4.1 BSD.

Arnold

[TUHS] Re: Chaosnet in v8

[Lars Brinkhoff]

John Floren via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> writes:
> I've been doing some research on Lisp machines and came across an
> interesting tidbit: there was Chaosnet support in Unix v8

See also previous discussions:
https://google.com/search?q="chaosnet"+site%3Atuhs.org
https://google.com/search?q="chaos"+site%3Atuhs.org