* [9fans] New to Plan9 @ 2000-08-23 9:10 ` Roy Miller 2000-08-23 15:29 ` James A. Robinson 2000-08-24 14:36 ` [9fans] Re: New to Plan9 M.Kollenaar 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Roy Miller @ 2000-08-23 9:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I'm new to Plan 9 and would like to know where to get some information. I've already downloaded the boot disk and distribution package, but I can't figure out how to configure it. I can't get rc to use a smaller font, I can't figure out to use ftp or nfs. I can't even figure out how to give my system a name. I plan on running Plan 9 standalone. Also, I can't seem to get the boot disk to work with any system I have (except my laptop.) It freezes right after it detects the hdds (or at least I think that's what it did.) All it prints is: PBS...Plan 9 from Bell Labs using fd0!dos!plan9.ini dev A0 port 1F0 config 427A capabilities 2F00 mwdma 0007 udma 0407 dev B0 port 1F0 config 0040 capabilities 0B01 mwdma 0407 dev B0 port 170 config 85C0 capabilities 2F00 mwdma 0007 And then it freezes. The computer is a FIC 503+ w/ a K6-2 and an AGP videocard. It runs FreeBSD, and has windows stuffed on the second hdd. I have a similar system, however, but it only runs windows and has two video cards. It boots fine, but complains about an unknown video card. I'll try to modify the vgadb file later, but why should it boot and not the other? I have another laptop, it's an old 486 with an old floppy (can't use vfat or ext2, must use fat or minix,) and it stops after this message: (...) kfs...boot: nop...kfs 6: suicide: sys trap: fault read addr=blah blah pc=blahdidyblah boot: read not: file does not exist panic: boot process dies: unknown ktrace (...) Very confusing. Any kind of help would be greatly appreciated. --Roy Miller http://www.eightbit.org AIM: eightbt The idea is to die young as late as possible. -- Ashley Montague ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to Plan9 2000-08-23 9:10 ` [9fans] New to Plan9 Roy Miller @ 2000-08-23 15:29 ` James A. Robinson 2000-08-24 8:35 ` Douglas A. Gwyn 2000-08-24 14:36 ` [9fans] Re: New to Plan9 M.Kollenaar 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: James A. Robinson @ 2000-08-23 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Also, I can't seem to get the boot disk to work with any system I have > (except my laptop.) It fr eezes right after it detects the hdds (or at > least I think that's what it did.) Yes, I'm having the same problem. Jim McKie has been so kind as to offer his help, and we plan to figure out what's going on in the next week or so. I'll send updates if something is discovered. > I'm new to Plan 9 and would like to know where to get some > information. I've already downloaded the boot disk and distribution > package, but I can't figure out how to configure it. I can't get rc to use > a smaller font, I can't figure out to use ftp or nfs. I can't even figure > out how to give my system a name. I'm a bit confused about your message. In your message you say you can't get the boot disk to work with any system you have. So what are you trying to configure? If your questions are about how to do such things on an installed system, most answers can be found in the man pages. You can see an online version at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man/. The papers also give a good high level overview: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/. You normally could edit your $home/lib/profile file to change the font that rio(1) uses. You would use ftpfs(1) to mount a remote ftp site on your local partition (mounted at /n/ftp, unless that's changed from the 2nd ed.). I don't about getting access to remote NFS -- I don't recall seeing any such support. I do know that you use u9fs(4) to serve files off a unix box to the plan 9 machines. For system name, DNS, etc., you need to edit the /lib/ndb/local file. There are lots of instructions given in the man pages and in "Getting Started With Plan 9" http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/start.html. Basically you'll need to write out what your network is, and then specify the hosts. For example (and note that while I have DNS working, there may be an error in this since I have a questionable problem with ipconfig(1)), if I have the machine spensa on a network in the building galvez on stanford campus, what I've written is ipnet=stanford-net ip=171.64.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 ipsubmask=255.255.255.0 dns=171.64.7.55 dns=171.64.7.77 dns=171.64.7.99 ntp=time-a.stanford.edu ntp=time-b.stanford.edu ntp=time-c.stanford.edu dnsdomain=stanford.edu ipnet=galvez-net ip=171.64.31.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipgw=171.64.31.1 dns=171.64.249.100 dns=171.64.31.74 smtp=highwire.stanford.edu ip=171.64.31.213 sys=spensa ether=00d0b7927b17 dom=spensa.stanford.edu I'm not positive of my logic for this configuration, but my reasoning follows. As you know, networks are assigned in the following ranges: 0.0.0.0 to 127.255.255.255 are in Class A 128.0.0.0 to 191.255.255.255 are in Class B 192.0.0.0 to 223.255.255.255 are in Class C Since networks starting with 171.64 are class B, I have to specify that 171.64.0.0 (stanford-net) should be split into class C subnets. The subnet I'm on is 171.64.31.0 (galvez-net), and it has a gateway, dns, and smtp servers that should be used. Under galvez-net is an actual host, in this case spensa. I just specify the ip address, name, and ethernet address. And the dom=spensa.stanford.edu tells it that stanford.edu is the domain. Setting my ip address and stuff was more difficult. You use the program ipconfig(1) (located in your path as ip/ipconfig), and if you have a DHCP server you should be set. I would swear that I had read in one of the docs that ipconfig looked up one's ethernet address in /lib/ndb/local and used that to set the network if it could find it. It may be that my /lib/ndb/local is flawed, but ipconfig could not set my ip. I ended up writing a small hack to set the ip, and I posted it a day or so ago. Jim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New to Plan9 2000-08-23 15:29 ` James A. Robinson @ 2000-08-24 8:35 ` Douglas A. Gwyn 2000-08-25 22:17 ` [9fans] browser again Matt Lawless 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Douglas A. Gwyn @ 2000-08-24 8:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans "James A. Robinson" wrote: > ipconfig(1) (located in your path as ip/ipconfig), and if you have a DHCP > server you should be set. I would swear that I had read in one of the > docs that ipconfig looked up one's ethernet address in /lib/ndb/local > and used that to set the network if it could find it. It may be that my > /lib/ndb/local is flawed, but ipconfig could not set my ip. I have noticed that many DHCP servers these days have no concept of your hostname, expecting you to tell them instead of the other way around. This seems to be encouraged by Microsoft and partly the result of people moving their laptops around the country. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* [9fans] browser again 2000-08-24 8:35 ` Douglas A. Gwyn @ 2000-08-25 22:17 ` Matt Lawless 2000-08-25 23:37 ` Boyd Roberts 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Matt Lawless @ 2000-08-25 22:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans here's an interesting idea particularly suited to a bitmapped terminal it's an "inline" browser it can render html and execute javascript AND give you an interactive shell at the same time http://xmlterm.com/ Matt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] browser again 2000-08-25 22:17 ` [9fans] browser again Matt Lawless @ 2000-08-25 23:37 ` Boyd Roberts 2000-08-26 1:27 ` Greg Earle 2000-08-26 9:55 ` Matt Lawless 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Boyd Roberts @ 2000-08-25 23:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans From: Matt Lawless <alf@proweb.co.uk> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 12:17 AM Subject: [9fans] browser again > here's an interesting idea particularly suited to a bitmapped terminal > > it's an "inline" browser > > it can render html and execute javascript AND give you an interactive shell > at the same time > to quote rob, i'm going to 'do a boyd' here. are you out of your mind? javascript? i'd prefer RSTS basic. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] browser again 2000-08-25 23:37 ` Boyd Roberts @ 2000-08-26 1:27 ` Greg Earle 2000-08-26 2:25 ` Boyd Roberts 2000-08-26 9:55 ` Matt Lawless 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Greg Earle @ 2000-08-26 1:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >> here's an interesting idea particularly suited to a bitmapped terminal >> >> it's an "inline" browser >> >> it can render html and execute javascript AND give you an interactive shell >> at the same time > > to quote rob, i'm going to 'do a boyd' here. are you out of your > mind? javascript? i'd prefer RSTS basic. <sarcasm> Yeah, RSTS basic would work *real* well with all those travel sites out there. </sarcasm> <--- Convinced that Boyd Roberts must have been a Monty Python fan ... since he's now a Knight of NI(H) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] browser again 2000-08-26 1:27 ` Greg Earle @ 2000-08-26 2:25 ` Boyd Roberts 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Boyd Roberts @ 2000-08-26 2:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans From: Greg Earle <earle@isolar.DynDNS.ORG> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] browser again > >> here's an interesting idea particularly suited to a bitmapped terminal > >> > >> it's an "inline" browser > >> > >> it can render html and execute javascript AND give you an interactive shell > >> at the same time > > > > to quote rob, i'm going to 'do a boyd' here. are you out of your > > mind? javascript? i'd prefer RSTS basic. > > <sarcasm> > Yeah, RSTS basic would work *real* well with all those travel sites out there. > </sarcasm> > > <--- Convinced that Boyd Roberts must have been a Monty Python fan ... since > he's now a Knight of NI(H) RSTS basic sucked, but it worked. and you actually think the browsers can or should support that crap. for a stir i tried to write DES in javascipt -- no chance. big arrays? what are they? http://www.planete.net/~boyd/code/des.msg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] browser again 2000-08-25 23:37 ` Boyd Roberts 2000-08-26 1:27 ` Greg Earle @ 2000-08-26 9:55 ` Matt Lawless 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Matt Lawless @ 2000-08-26 9:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > > it's an "inline" browser > > it can render html and execute javascript AND give you an interactive shell > > at the same time > to quote rob, i'm going to 'do a boyd' here. are you out of your > mind? javascript? i'd prefer RSTS basic. well to quote myself "it can" notice not "it should" :-) javascript is not, of course, a requirement. Any language with ECMA bindings could work. For instance I use python as my client side scripting language in internet explorer the point of xmlterm is that it renders html interactively in your shell which is a different approach from the monolithic browser model. I thought people might be interested in different approaches Matt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* [9fans] Re: New to Plan9 2000-08-23 9:10 ` [9fans] New to Plan9 Roy Miller 2000-08-23 15:29 ` James A. Robinson @ 2000-08-24 14:36 ` M.Kollenaar 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: M.Kollenaar @ 2000-08-24 14:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Hi Roy, Have you visited: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/ ? A lot of information. Marcel Roy Miller <e_n_d_e_r@hotmail.com> schreef in berichtnieuws 8nuq17$cdm$0@216.155.62.83... > I'm new to Plan 9 and would like to know where to get some information. I've already downloaded the boot disk and distribution package, but I can't figure out how to configure it. I can't get rc to use a smaller font, I can't figure out to use ftp or nfs. I can't even figure out how to give my system a name. I plan on running Plan 9 standalone. > > Also, I can't seem to get the boot disk to work with any system I have (except my laptop.) It freezes right after it detects the hdds (or at least I think that's what it did.) All it prints is: > > PBS...Plan 9 from Bell Labs > using fd0!dos!plan9.ini > dev A0 port 1F0 config 427A capabilities 2F00 mwdma 0007 udma 0407 > dev B0 port 1F0 config 0040 capabilities 0B01 mwdma 0407 > dev B0 port 170 config 85C0 capabilities 2F00 mwdma 0007 > > And then it freezes. The computer is a FIC 503+ w/ a K6-2 and an AGP videocard. It runs FreeBSD, and has windows stuffed on the second hdd. I have a similar system, however, but it only runs windows and has two video cards. It boots fine, but complains about an unknown video card. I'll try to modify the vgadb file later, but why should it boot and not the other? > > I have another laptop, it's an old 486 with an old floppy (can't use vfat or ext2, must use fat or minix,) and it stops after this message: > > (...) > kfs...boot: nop...kfs 6: suicide: sys trap: fault read addr=blah blah pc=blahdidyblah > boot: read not: file does not exist > panic: boot process dies: unknown > ktrace (...) > > Very confusing. Any kind of help would be greatly appreciated. > > --Roy Miller > http://www.eightbit.org > AIM: eightbt > > The idea is to die young as late as possible. > -- Ashley Montague ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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