[9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

Re: [9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[Boyd Roberts]

err, ask some of the people who tried it in '84.

Re: [9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

I wasn't trying to open old wounds. This is for a "real" porting job ;-)

But now, I am curious. Which people tried what in '84?

At 02:15 AM 8/11/00 +0200, you wrote:
>err, ask some of the people who tried it in '84.
>
>

Re: [9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[Boyd Roberts]

From: Skip Tavakkolian <skipt@real.com>

> I wasn't trying to open old wounds. This is for a "real" porting job ;-)

why do i see this trend to smash plan 9 back into unix?

> But now, I am curious. Which people tried what in '84?

they know who they are.

Re: [9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[Russ Cox]

	why do i see this trend to smash plan 9 back into unix?

surely you're not going to argue that having c
as the only implementation language is an 
essential property of plan 9.  

Re: [9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[Boyd Roberts]

From: Russ Cox <rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com>
> why do i see this trend to smash plan 9 back into unix?
> 
> surely you're not going to argue that having c
> as the only implementation language is an 
> essential property of plan 9.  

no i didn't say that.  i believe c++ is a collosal disaster;
even back in '84.  programs that ran wouldn't even _compile_
the next day and believe the story is that those who were
trying it gave up in disjust.  that was when it was small.
this is hearsay, but from a realiable source.

if you want write bad programs c++ and java give you a quantum leap.

on the other hand i'd love to see limbo on it.  maybe it is?

Re: [9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[rob pike]

There is a C++ compiler in the bin directories here and some
people use it to build programs on Plan 9.  We don't have
permission to redistribute the sources, and the version
is rather old anyway, so it's not in the distribution.

Disregard Boyd.

-rob

Re: [9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[Boyd Roberts]

rob said:

> Disregard Boyd.

will you confirm or deny my '84 story?

i know you want to get plan 9 out, so so i.

Re: [9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[Steve Harris]

Has anybody thought of porting the SmallEiffel compiler as an 
alternative?
It produces C code which then is compiled by a platform's existing C 
compiler.
Supposedly produces pretty efficient C code.  Won't try to advocate 
Eiffel as
a language (though I think it is excellent), but will say it is very 
different 
from C and therefore can be a lot of fun as a change of pace.

The weakest part of Eiffel is its lack of libraries (for doing 
networking e.g.).
Since Plan 9 can do so many things with just read/write calls, seems 
like that's 
a big win for Eiffel and other weakly-libraried languages.

Just a thought, I'm not volunteering.

	Steve

Re: [9fans] Anyone working on C++ for Plan9?

[Douglas A. Gwyn]

Steve Harris wrote:
> Has anybody thought of porting the SmallEiffel compiler ...

There are a lot of interesting languages that could be implemented
on Plan 9.  The call for C++ seemed to be based on wanting to
import large applications already written in C++, for which
translators for other languages wouldn't help much.